[gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Denis Dupeyron]

It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
means Gentoo on Win32.

Markus lives with his wife and daughter in Graz, Austria. He seems to
have many hobbies like reading fantasy novels, building
remote-controlled model planes, crashing remote-controlled model
planes, and last but not least, "playing good old board games" with
his wife. Err... Markus, we are a mature audience here, so no need to
call that "good old board games", OK ?

He shares an office at work with Michael Haubenwallner (haubi), who is
strangely also a member of the Gentoo/alt project.

Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Denis.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 13:35:40 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Yay, at last someone in our team that has the right to "feel blue" :)

Welcome and enjoy!


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Gilles Dartiguelongue]

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Le mercredi 30 avril 2008 à 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron a écrit :
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> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

may I use a flamethrower for that ?

welcome Markus :)
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RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duft Markus]

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> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

Hope this doesn't scare away people ;o) Did you have to blazen this out?

> 
> Markus lives with his wife and daughter in Graz, Austria. He seems to
> have many hobbies like reading fantasy novels, building
> remote-controlled model planes, crashing remote-controlled model
> planes, and last but not least, "playing good old board games" with
> his wife. Err... Markus, we are a mature audience here, so no need to
> call that "good old board games", OK ?

Hehe, i feel misunderstood ... :)

> 
> He shares an office at work with Michael Haubenwallner (haubi), who is
> strangely also a member of the Gentoo/alt project.
> 
> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Thanks ... @Gilles' flamethrower: i don't think that i like it _that_ hot, but i haven't tried ;)

Cheers, Markus

> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Michael Haubenwallner]

On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

Yes, today isn't April, the first (remember geNToo).
Heh - today is April, the last!

> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Enjoy geVISToo ;)

/haubi/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Jim Ramsay]

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"Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Lay on, mduft,
And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'

Exeunt, fighting.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 11:12 -0400, Jim Ramsay wrote:
> "Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.
> 
> Lay on, mduft,
> And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'
> 
> Exeunt, fighting.
> 
 Nice.  I wish I'd thought of that. :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
>  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
>  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
>  means Gentoo on Win32.

Welcome!

I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
Something like [1], [2].

Alon.

[1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_on_Cygwin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> >  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> >  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> >  means Gentoo on Win32.
> 
> Welcome!
> 
> I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
> Something like [1], [2].

Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.

Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>  > On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  > > It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
>  > >  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
>  > >  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
>  > >  means Gentoo on Win32.
>  >
>  > Welcome!
>  >
>  > I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
>  > Something like [1], [2].
>
>
> Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.

I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right?

>  Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)

It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows
platform while having Open Source license.

But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in
Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows.

Alon.

[1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 20:44:50 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> >  > I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
> >  > Something like [1], [2].
> >
> > Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.
> 
> I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right?

Heh, yeah, sort of.  See [2].  As far as I understand it,
Interix/Microsoft Services for UNIX plugs directly into the POSIX
whatever of Windows.  What you basically get is the environment where
you can run a shell, and as a sort of bonus a ksh or csh to start off.
What Markus did, was to get normal Gentoo Prefix working on top of that.
To give you an indication of what it looks/feels like, if you start
SFU's ksh (or login through telnet -- hey it still is Windows ;) ), you
can just do a configure && make && make install of bash-3.2 to end up
with a working bash.  Of course Python does NOT compile.

> >  Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)
> 
> It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows
> platform while having Open Source license.

I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.

> But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in
> Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows.

Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
extra help from "prefix-launcher".

> [1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm

[2] http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463204.aspx?wt.svl=2007resources


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
>  the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
>  doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
>  so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.

I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on
HPUX or AIX... There is Windows.

> Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
>  forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
>  planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
>  extra help from "prefix-launcher".

This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on
Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually
used this OS...

I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to
extract binaries.

Alon.

[1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 21:21:06 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
> >  the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
> >  doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
> >  so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.
> 
> I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on
> HPUX or AIX... There is Windows.

Ok, then SFU is just your entry point to the system, like your "login"
on AIX or HPUX.

> > Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
> >  forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
> >  planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
> >  extra help from "prefix-launcher".
> 
> This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on
> Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually
> used this OS...

Well... making stages takes time, but more importantly, requires you to
store them somewhere, and infra has no space for that.  I do, but my
internet connectivity is not sufficient for that.
Besides, using Portage's binary support is more flexible, as the Prefix
isn't fixed, but adjusted to your need(s).

> I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to
> extract binaries.

I probably misunderstand.  quickpkg creates binpkgs, doesn't it?

> [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/


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AW: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duft Markus]

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Hi!

Just read the mail-archive and (i’m not at work), and felt that I have to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :))

Right now we start using Gentoo Prefix as the primary development environment at our company. For that reason I really need a quick and easy method of setting up new machines with any of the three available version combinations of windows and interix (Interix 3.5 runs on Win2K and WinXP, Interix 5.2 runs on Windows Server 2003R2 only, Interix 6.0 runs on Server 2008 and Vista). For that purpose I wrote a setup program, which is capable of installing Interix itself (also the required windows components), setting up some basic things (for example some configurations in /etc, installing openssh, etc.), and finally unpacking a binary prefix snapshot.

The snapshot is basically just a tar of a freshly bootstrapped prefix (with some extras like gnome-terminal already compiled), normally rooted at /opt/gentoo. The snapshot is unpacked there, and voila – setup takes about 20 minutes, and after that (if you have an X server running, like for example the open-source Xming – the free one is really unperformant though…) you can start gnome-terminal to start working, yeeha!

Haubi and I had the idea, that binpks would be possible too, and as a little extension, it would be really cool to have an installer like Cygwin has for example. This poses some other problems though, like runpaths etc. I think this approach is better usable for the planned win32 cross prefix – this one will be really cool: cross compile windows native binaries using parity [1] into a separate prefix, which contains only binaries that can run completely without interix (theoretically ;)).

[1] http://www.sf.net/projects/parity

Cheers, Markus

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Betreff: Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
 
On 30-04-2008 21:21:06 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
> >  the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
> >  doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
> >  so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.
> 
> I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on
> HPUX or AIX... There is Windows.

Ok, then SFU is just your entry point to the system, like your "login"
on AIX or HPUX.

> > Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
> >  forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
> >  planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
> >  extra help from "prefix-launcher".
> 
> This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on
> Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually
> used this OS...

Well... making stages takes time, but more importantly, requires you to
store them somewhere, and infra has no space for that.  I do, but my
internet connectivity is not sufficient for that.
Besides, using Portage's binary support is more flexible, as the Prefix
isn't fixed, but adjusted to your need(s).

> I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to
> extract binaries.

I probably misunderstand.  quickpkg creates binpkgs, doesn't it?

> [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Heath N. Caldwell]

On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I have
> to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for
> what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :))

Have you seen this?:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

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RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duft Markus]

> 
> On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I
> have
> > to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry
> for
> > what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :))
> 
> Have you seen this?:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Yeah thanks, i used to use this one. But (of course) it doesn't work
with the web-interface, and since a few days i'm running outlook 2007,
with which it - grml - doesn't work neither. Still with the real outlook
i managed to at least get it to quote with ">" ;)

Cheers, Markus

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[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duncan]

"Duft Markus" <Markus.Duft@salomon.at> posted
18597F2B47F1394A9B309945EC72411201781472@servex01.wamas.com, excerpted
below, on  Mon, 05 May 2008 08:51:42 +0200:

>> On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote:
>> >
>> > (so sorry for what the outlook web-access
>> > thingy does to emails and threads :))
>> 
>> Have you seen http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/
> 
> Yeah thanks, i used to use this one. But (of course) it doesn't work
> with the web-interface, and since a few days i'm running outlook 2007,
> with which it - grml - doesn't work neither. Still with the real outlook
> i managed to at least get it to quote with ">" ;)

I wonder if there's a greasemonkey script or the like for the
OL web interface.  Or a privoxy/proxomitron/whatever filter.

I know I use a custom privoxy filter to help enforce my 
light-text-on-dark-background browsing preferences without
killing color entirely, to reasonably good effect by now as I've
been making incremental filter improvements for several years,
so it's certainly possible to do such things.  It's likely just a
matter of finding the person who has developed an appropriate script.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Ryan Hill]

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:40 +0200
"Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:

> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

INSANITY!


You'll fit right in.  Welcome.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:22:21PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> INSANITY!
> 
> 
> You'll fit right in.  Welcome.

The voices in my head tell my to say "Welcome Markus" :-]

cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Marijn Schouten (hkBst)]

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Hi Markus,

Denis Dupeyron wrote:
| It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
| He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
| Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
| means Gentoo on Win32.

What's the attraction?
Is this something you'd want to use?
Are you just interested in the challenge?

| Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Let me present you with this magic wand with 50 charges of change-blue-screen-of-death-to
red-screen-of-death. May it last a long time,

Marijn

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