From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jne0F-0003DP-RF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:11:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0569E0320; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.two-pebbles.com (relay.two-pebbles.com [91.186.24.167]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76349E0320 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by relay.two-pebbles.com with esmtpsa for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:12:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: keyring From: Peter Weller To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1208712963.13942.6.camel@keitaro.perronet.esiee.net> References: <1208702743.15500.4.camel@marx> <1208711656.13942.3.camel@keitaro.perronet.esiee.net> <9e0cf0bf0804201025t66dac84frffe91f09c6098d7d@mail.gmail.com> <1208712963.13942.6.camel@keitaro.perronet.esiee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Gentoo Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:11:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1208715068.15500.28.camel@marx> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 616b51aa-1561-499a-b22f-08bb1cf91dea X-Archives-Hash: aae3dcd17039a2218d7c8e1a2eaac784 On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 19:36 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le dimanche 20 avril 2008 =E0 20:25 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev a =E9crit : > > On 4/20/08, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > > > for what it's worth, as a gnome dev I didn't see any convincing > > > arguments as to why it should be renamed. Gnome makes things optiona= l > > > for other to reuse (like xfce) but afaik no other "keyring" like > > > programs are optional deps of another package in portage. Let's not = cast > > > a simple change into breakage for users already using it (even in > > > stable, and yes I'm lazy :D). > >=20 > > Lazy is the word. > > I cannot argue with this one, I just know that it won't be the gnome > > herd who do the work when the time come to fix this (resolve > > conflict). > > The gnome herd will re-introduce the lazy ticket, and make other herd > > use yet another confusing USE flag. > > This is not the right way to maintain long term constants. >=20 > failure, you tried to argue ;) >=20 > > You asked for objections... You got some. > >=20 > > You can leave this local USE flag, and stay with generic term. > > Or you can rename it when it goes global so it have proper name. > > You can also ignore this and force gnome onto all users. >=20 > Seriously though, when I find stuff to fix, I try to fix it. I just > don't see anything to fix right now. There are currently three options in my mind: to rename the USE flag as 'gnome-keyring', to just globalize the 'keyring' USE flag as is, or to remove the USE flag completely. Each have a number of downs and ups: Renaming 1) We have to change 9 ebuilds to reflect the change 2) Almost all Gnome users will be affected in one way or another 3) Technically correct 4) Reduces chances of future collisions 5) More work for developers Keeping it as is 1) Less headache for Gnome users in the short term (but possibly more if we rename it in the future 2) Less work for me/Gnome herd 3) Technically incorrect 4) Could result in conflicts in the future Removing 1) Nice and simple. Just force all packages to compile with --gnome-keyring 2) A large number of users will probably start complaining about all their packages being compiled with gnome-keyring support 3) Xfce people will hate hate hate, I will be crucified. After consideration of the above, and consultation with the Gnome herd, I think that the best option would be to rename the USE flag to gnome-keyring. If anyone has any objections to *that*, pipe up before tomorrow evening. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list