From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZvWM-0001pW-82 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AF6AE0B02; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231EDE0B02 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F2653A9 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.625 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.625 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.485, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjCavOe6wvhx for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6866A65282 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D32BC7682 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.214]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:03:16 -0400 Received: by web5.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 57FF15D334; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1205445795.30618.1242298155@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: rXyn8bWgF0Zgw108XTNzabwZSYNX/NbewvvA5gOphA7v 1205445795 From: davecode@nospammail.net To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Help offered - Portage tree Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:03:15 -0700 X-Archives-Salt: 230d7a83-b412-424f-8d9b-f3ae4abf58eb X-Archives-Hash: aa97270f28142c4f524fd22ec111893a Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project btw). Knowing no one here or there, nor any history: This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have 'procedures' and 'career tracks.' Gentoo's chitchat about earning gold stars and brownie points is giving me HR sickness. You're asking Michael Jordan to prove himself on the high school team. I've read Gentoo's new dev announcements about monkeys and paper weights. People with a couple of small open-source projects. The monkeys and paper weights get CVS rights. Then the chief architect of Sabayon is scotched over bugzilla output? Please. That smells like bad fish. When someone as expert as this offers help, take it and make him a fast lane. He is worth ten bugzillas. Like a scientist once told me - it would be inefficient for him to clean his office, they have janitors for that. Bugzillas are broken and most Linux people know it. Ubuntu has hundreds of bugs sitting around for years and years. Personally: I have stopped filing bugzillas at various places. Projects organized around bugzillas are inefficient. Bugzillas are mostly good for non-devs to report bugs. I know zero developers who first think to themselves, "ok, I need a project bugzilla...then I can begin writing code." That isn't how development works. "So you don't have time to file bugs but you would have time to fix them" is rhetoric. The issue is ROI. Why file bugzillas that some "dev" authority figure may or may not fix in two years, when you can fix the code yourself? If you want to call him a Gentoo developer, then do so ASAP, and give him CVS. He knows what he is doing and filing bugzillas is a waste of talent. If you let him fix his own bugzillas he might go for that. But wasting his life trying to earn brownie points and respect? Sad. Gentoo needs the manpower and blowing it off with HR excuses is really, really dumb. I can hardly believe what I'm reading. It makes me want to cry. Maybe I should help Sabayon deploy on PowerPC instead of writing to you guys. I don't really care who misunderstood whom, or who has an attitude problem. There needs to be a red carpet for people like this. I would not care if he had a 666 on his head. You need to attract people like this and if bugzilla isn't working, think up something new. If you dislike his CVS mods you can always revert, take votes, etc. But I say +1 let him have at it. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list