From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JEZUc-0005Ab-Ub for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FEBAE079C; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F533E079C for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB54C17B99DF for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vfxq4ytkSbfY for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (unknown [192.168.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F0717B8052 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <20080114123348.GH5504@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <20080114214427.GC7096@supernova> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Aan3U7WWgtYdy+ozk4bW" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:45 -0800 Message-Id: <1200356205.6546.148.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 X-Archives-Salt: f095da75-d1a4-4d19-bd83-89719d27aa25 X-Archives-Hash: ee1085681536452e13a42a657b3e219f --=-Aan3U7WWgtYdy+ozk4bW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 22:53 +0000, likewhoa wrote: > Which DE/WM would you prefer for the gentoo livecd instead of the one > provided? > > Kde=20 > > Xfce=20 > > Fluxbox > > E16 > > Fvwm=20 > > Gnome > > Other Can I suggest that we not ask anything that we likely won't change? I have a strong feeling that KDE would win out here, but there's *NO WAY* that we can fit KDE on a LiveCD with the other stuff. When we were planning 2007.1, we had decided to switch to Xfce, simply because of the space savings. Cramming a lot of useful stuff onto 700MB is *not* an easy task. Space is our biggest enemy here. Were we to drop the LiveCD fully in favor of the LiveDVD, then I could see this as (somewhat) valid, as all of those Window Managers/Desktop Environments are already shipped on the LiveDVD (except FVWM). I'm not too interested in people's opinions for the defaults on a media set that includes them all and each is only a click or two away, though, as it doesn't really add anything to what we provide. If it weren't for the size constraints, I'd love to know what people prefer on the CD, so I don't want anyone to think that we don't care. We do. We just are limited by a hard size limit than we cannot do anything about and have to act accordingly. > Do they use grp packages? > > Yes > > No > > What is grp? > > Sometimes > > Never Definitely word this in a manner so people know what you're referring to. I would say something more along the lines of "Do you use the Installer in Networkless mode or GRP packages when installing your system?" > Which livecd(s) do they prefer? > > Gentoo livecd-2007.0 > > Sabayon livecd > > Sysresccd > > Knoppix > > My own > > Other Be sure to list the Minimal CD and the Universal CD, as well as the LiveCD, and also list the LiveDVD. We'll have to relate this data to the architecture used when we try to make anything useful out of it, but it'll be more accurate, as I definitely want to know *which* Gentoo media people are using. I would also add something like "an older Gentoo CD" to the mix. > Do you think commercial packages should be part of the main tree? > > Yes > > No > > Why not > > Never! > > in unofficial overlay > > Dunno Is this something that we really even want to ask? I mean, if we're all about trying to provide the best user experience, then binary packages are almost a requirement, especially with binary packages that were originally targeted at specific binary distributions. I tend to see this as one of those "religious" issues that is best left alone, like emacs versus vi. > How often should GWN be updated? > > once a week > > everyday > > every month > > every six months > > what is GWN? Again, you're asking something that I don't think that we should be asking. We couldn't get content even though we begged and pleaded for it. No offense meant to anyone, but I don't care if people want a daily newsletter. If we cannot get enough content, we cannot get enough content. No survey is going to change that, and asking a question like this gives the impression that the user's opinion will make a difference, when it likely will not. I'd much rather not ask questions that the users are going to feel like they were "ignored" than ask them and not make any changes based on the answers. Of course, if you're volunteering to pick up the slack and write any necessary articles to make it happen at the interval decided by our users, well, I completely welcome it, then... ;] > Do you like the Gentoo Linux Installer (GLI)? > > Yes > > No > > Never heard of it I'd like to see the answers to this one, but I have a feeling that everybody has a love/hate relationship with this. They either love it, or they hate it. I also tend to think that *many* people have an opinion on the Installer without ever even using it. As such, I don't think that we'd get any usable results out of this, but it'll still be fun to ask. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Games Developer --=-Aan3U7WWgtYdy+ozk4bW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHi/ttkT4lNIS36YERAtnnAKCVb+cTwMsXoQzOF1i7NuchU98AygCdHTA5 JclwL2LggDEo9MtAnrwyHKU= =/Evr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Aan3U7WWgtYdy+ozk4bW-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list