From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JCjYk-0000pF-Bw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:38:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB5D3E07BB; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE80E0766 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6648817B99DE for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NAxm49-AQ8Wh for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.31] (dsl211-165-131.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [74.211.165.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6A317B99DB for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev In-Reply-To: <200801091642.37591.vapier@gentoo.org> References: <200801091551.31922.vapier@gentoo.org> <1199913217.8082.71.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200801091642.37591.vapier@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vwC0ypFoN3r0jp4jUCrG" Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:28:53 -0800 Message-Id: <1199917733.8082.93.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 X-Archives-Salt: 8ed0a80e-4fb7-4c28-be78-b0c51eb85809 X-Archives-Hash: 6b1603a9604e830a57c2cab3a0e8cf9e --=-vwC0ypFoN3r0jp4jUCrG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 16:42 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > Indeed. We ended up having to get perl into the stage1 because of > > exactly these problems. It sucks. I'd love to be able to remove perl > > (and anything else not necessarily required) out of the base system set= . > > If they're required in other profiles, they should be added in said > > profiles. >=20 > i often debate simply chucking the perl build requirements of openssl in = favor=20 > of autoconf ... maybe i'll set up a git tree on Gentoo's git for this ...= i=20 > think that'd solve the "perl required in stages" issue ? As far as I know, only openssl would really be affected. If that were fixed, we very likely could drop perl from system. I'd have to check. I *know* that we could drop it from stage1/stage2, though. > > Well, openssh has always been questionable. Sure, *I* think it should > > be on any Gentoo system I'd want to touch, but it really isn't necessar= y > > for a lot of people. Moving this to, say, the "server" profiles only > > would be acceptable to me, but then again, so is leaving it how it is > > now. >=20 > i'd argue pretty vehemently against removing openssh from any default off= icial=20 > Gentoo install. ssh is defacto standard for loginning into any other=20 > machines. it should be on all Gentoo desktops/severs/etc... =20 > specialized/embedded/whatever are certainly free to cull openssh (and doi= ng=20 > so is actually beyond trivial). whether we express this requirement in b= ase/=20 > or frags or something is certainly open for discussion, but i believe=20 > removing it from a stage3 in any of our standard releases is a huge=20 > disservice to everyone. Well, I wasn't really saying that it wouldn't end up in the stages. More that by moving it into the sub-profiles, it allows people to choose a profile where it isn't in "system" anymore. Of course, most of this is rather moot considering you can override parts of the profile and someone could quite easily just remove this one package, if they so desired. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Games Developer --=-vwC0ypFoN3r0jp4jUCrG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHhUqlkT4lNIS36YERAmUPAJ9qFIN55dKdi1oHtDt6aIz/BPY6WQCfR/7P t9APoV9QTvQrIC1oJCDmtQA= =MmXF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vwC0ypFoN3r0jp4jUCrG-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list