From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JCN4V-00047c-UM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:37:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D16BE0D2E; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF86DE0D2E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E101217B99DE for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:37:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOfamtr489Vz for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.44] (dsl211-165-131.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [74.211.165.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEDA17B8047 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20080108083000.GL14600@supernova> References: <20080108083000.GL14600@supernova> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-stalP+W0yrBQK1EwC1og" Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1199831824.8108.19.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 X-Archives-Salt: 3fd06ad5-9ad2-4eae-bed9-7f3be7e71cc2 X-Archives-Hash: 9eee8b7c0a9550bf4b2cc9aa3ffac487 --=-stalP+W0yrBQK1EwC1og Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 00:30 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 00:42 Tue 08 Jan , Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten=C3=B2 wrote: > > Anyway, as having a complete dependency tree is almost impossible > > because of that, I have an alternative proposal: reducing the size of > > the system package set. Right now system contains stuff like ncurses, > > readline, zlib, autoconf, automake and m4, perl, gnuconfig, and so > > on. Those are packages that certainly would be part of any base Gentoo > > system, but are those actual part of the system set of packages? I > > sincerely doubt it. >=20 > What is your goal? Is there something you're trying to accomplish that's=20 > impossible? It's clear that changing this would be a fair amount of=20 > work, and I don't understand the benefits. Come work on a Gentoo release some time. Implicit dependencies waste more time than pretty much anything else. Almost all circular dependency issues we currently have are due to implicit dependencies. Also, several things have been added either to system or (more commonly) packages.build, to try to work around these deficiencies in the tree. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-stalP+W0yrBQK1EwC1og Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHg/sQkT4lNIS36YERAnSsAJ4lQCv+dgO7/TlyTgZlUATwBI6dEgCdFTL4 XvTLmv+LGWyj+YC8fkD8YW4= =ALrF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-stalP+W0yrBQK1EwC1og-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list