From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IHNcp-0007Uc-7h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:41:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l74HdQKr031209; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:39:26 GMT Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [72.17.152.163]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74Ha5xC026511 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:36:05 GMT Received: (qmail 12702 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2007 17:36:05 -0000 Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (HELO ?192.168.1.211?) (192.168.0.51) by mail.obsidian-studios.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2007 17:36:05 -0000 Received: from 209.204.130.131 ([209.204.130.131] helo=[192.168.1.211]) by assp.obsidian-studios.com; 4 Aug 2007 13:36:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200708030014.41719.vapier@gentoo.org> References: <46AFC734.2000702@gentoo.org> <200708022005.27573.vapier@gentoo.org> <1186111093.32543.7.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <200708030014.41719.vapier@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-XP1NSmtL9eAL2+yFbymm" Organization: Gentoo Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:35:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1186248925.13234.14.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 X-Archives-Salt: a7c075cd-9ab0-421e-9025-eaa076c6875b X-Archives-Hash: 9002d2c698bd3a3546a4f4d8721b3d65 --=-XP1NSmtL9eAL2+yFbymm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 00:14 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 02 August 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 20:05 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > sounds good to me ... so to tie back to the source of the thread, cra= ppy > > > closed source vendor drivers are not a valid reason to hold up > > > stabilization of a kernel > > > > Who ever said they were crappy? Maybe the documentation on usage is > > crappy, but drivers have consistently gotten much better. These days > > pretty solid IMHO for my uses. >=20 > last time i used the drivers they sucked hard ... maybe it's gotten bette= r; i=20 > dont know -- i tossed all my ati in favor of nvidia Well ati's stuff has gotten much better over the last year. But really IMHO from my experience. It's entirely about your xorg.conf. Wrong config or etc and it will totally blow. In that regard nVidia seems to be way more tolerant, and maybe detects stuff at runtime, ati requires to be configed in xorg.conf. > my point though wasnt to knock ati (although it was fun), the point was t= hat i=20 > do not believe any closed source driver in our tree should ever be ground= s=20 > for preventing stabilization of a kernel ebuild Yes, I don't like that it's closed source either. But closed or open source. It seems odd to have packages in our stable tree that don't work with each other? Doesn't that kinda go against the point of our stable tree? I personally don't use genkernel, but I believe those updating their systems via emerge world, and then running genkernel later against the new kernel. Will likely have it fail, and then report bugs against our stable tree. --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java --=-XP1NSmtL9eAL2+yFbymm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGtLjdPrChP8zZLyYRAiP0AJsEGoSwhKKifGjMMxhOC/80aYaj2wCg2rdH kiF7aZBZTIVn33dfTmPpt1M= =YsqS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-XP1NSmtL9eAL2+yFbymm-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list