From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IACF0-00026b-7O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:06:58 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FM4FKW001267; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:04:15 GMT Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FM0gV7028698 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:00:42 GMT Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jul 2007 22:00:42 -0000 Received: from chello080108115144.1.11.univie.teleweb.at (EHLO [192.168.0.102]) [80.108.115.144] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2007 00:00:42 +0200 X-Authenticated: #28563408 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XoAYj8bOX1O47jIvLfmWM34MEGZ3/o5s7KpcaR2 fSFNHRFpHvBkyd Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes From: Matthias Langer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:59:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: faea3cbb-ed56-4e80-82e4-93c06ae70a3e X-Archives-Hash: 638ea896ded387c3e4d99be2352cb70e On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 13:24 -0700, Mike Doty wrote: > All- > > We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only > devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate in > bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the > gentoo-project list will be created to take over what -dev frequently becomes. > there is no requirement to be on this new list. > > This will probably remove the need for -core(everything gets leaked out anyway) > but that's a path to cross later. > > We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now would be > the time. > > --taco no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. by banning non-dev contributors from this list some of you may feel better - but gentoo as a whole will probably suffer. silencing people doesn't make their opinions invalid. what gentoo needs in my opinion is a clear structure, strict and unmistakable rules about what $dev may do and what $dev must not do, and ways to enforce these rules; this, and not moderating or restricting communication channels, would improve the way people are working together. as this may be my last post - and it seems to fit in quite nicely - i also want to say: gentoo's problem is not that ciaranm is a troll. the problem is that ciaranm is not a troll. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list