From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9otM-0006fZ-H5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:11:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6EL9SJI020453; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:09:28 GMT Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [72.17.152.163]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6EL7SKg018128 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:07:29 GMT Received: (qmail 30031 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2007 21:07:28 -0000 Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (HELO ?192.168.1.211?) (192.168.0.51) by mail.obsidian-studios.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2007 21:07:28 -0000 Received: from 192.168.1.211 ([192.168.1.211] helo=[192.168.1.211]) by assp.obsidian-studios.com; 14 Jul 2007 17:07:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Smoother moderation scheme? From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184356016.6766.1200057851@webmail.messagingengine.com> <469829B4.1000302@gmail.com> <469860F4.2040900@gentoo.org> <1184434998.6676.28.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Pk7hEaAbteG7mZGSWYlI" Organization: Gentoo Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:07:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1184447250.7966.12.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 X-Archives-Salt: 6170575a-f88c-4524-85f3-2d2d9bda202b X-Archives-Hash: 405387bb64424e00971343a57cfe30f1 --=-Pk7hEaAbteG7mZGSWYlI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 21:48 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > > >=20 > You already have two lists. Your argument that core is for more private > stuff, but not developer communication seems odd. Well we need two development type of lists. The first question we ask any new devs on our quizzes is When is it appropriate to post to gentoo-core rather than gentoo-dev? I would answer that, but I would be answering a quiz question. Of which the answer can be found in our online documentation. > but I really > do not understand why that should mean users are not allowed to contribut= e > as you suggested in your other post. If two devs are having an issue they are trying to work out. Community involvement is likely to make that issue larger and worse. Which could result in a user siding with a dev, dev getting upset and bailing or etc. Instead of the two devs left to work out their problems on their own. If they can't they take it to devrel or etc. When users get involved in that, it mucks things up. We then have to start using words like moderation and etc. > As for moderation, the simple fact is that your devs have neither the tim= e > nor the experience to do such a job. I have some ideas there that I need to run by others first. I will then GLEP it and put it out there for all :) > Good luck with reinventing everything and discussing the same stuff you h= ave > for the last year that led to the formation of the Proctors. Making changes and evolving is not reinvention. Quit many things aren't being changed. > I accept that > the decision to disband them has been taken, although it seems odd that n= o > notification of the meeting which led to this latest change was given. Pretty sure there are always notifications of council meetings. Although not sure such notification is required per any policy. > Obviously I think this is a major strategic error, and it's sad that rath= er > than one member admit a mistake, the present Council has to override the > consensus that took so long to reach. Reversing a past decision is itself a form a admitting a mistake or error. Or that trying something new didn't work as expected or etc. --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java --=-Pk7hEaAbteG7mZGSWYlI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGmTsQPrChP8zZLyYRAoR6AJ4zuv9bf8NjIA3lsgHthcF/G/wSDgCg0MwL ta7puuKibcv8xARoLqB7h88= =A5fA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Pk7hEaAbteG7mZGSWYlI-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list