From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-25014-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1I9P5a-0002y4-4T for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:37:58 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6DHagVf018025; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:36:42 GMT Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DHYjd8015530 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:34:45 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D02480E2 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GNwEPUzCQGlw for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.100.22] (dsl211-165-131.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [74.211.165.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E77248079 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-h4/5nRCX/k48tOWx1T5f" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:33:40 -0700 Message-Id: <1184348020.8347.32.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-Archives-Salt: dfc78845-2baf-42f8-82fe-22fe59fcfeca X-Archives-Hash: 151c1101220cbf5ee0f0b18957e7584d --=-h4/5nRCX/k48tOWx1T5f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 03:11 -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: > What I find absolutely astounding is how much power Ciaran (we all know > the elephant in the room that motivates this newest council > announcement) wields over Gentoo.=20 *sigh* Why is it that everyone always assumes everything the Council does is "out to get Ciaran" rather than something we see as a good global solution to our current problems? Here's a little hint for all of you conspiracy theorists out there. If all we wanted was to get rid of Ciaran, we'd just have a fucking vote to get rid of Ciaran and make all of this *SO* much simpler on ourselves. We're trying to solve the problem of people, *ALL* people, treating each other like complete crap on our lists. The "problem" has been an issue of discipline. We've simply got too many people who are too scared to take any actions to resolve these problems. Why do you think Developer Relations has all of these procedures and policies for retiring developers? Is it because we need all of that to determine if someone has crossed the line? No. It's because we have a large number of developers (or possibly even just a very vocal minority) who complain about every single damn thing anyone ever does and it has been much simpler to make up these ridiculous guidelines and rules to follow in an attempt to curb the dissenters than it is to just deal with them. I say drop the rules to something simple that makes sense, boot the troublemakers, and ignore the dissenters. I'll gladly help anyone make up any procmail recipes they need to filter their mail. Let's get back to developing and leave the politics to Obama and Hillary. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-h4/5nRCX/k48tOWx1T5f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGl7d0kT4lNIS36YERAnb1AKCLkgxqGSMe2Nx4yAo0GutYtX6bVwCfTgw3 gHTarAoDl4KmOQG9RtQQG6M= =x9Wn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-h4/5nRCX/k48tOWx1T5f-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list