From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-24992-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1I9FMv-0002ZN-7O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:15:13 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6D7EGtw012212; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:14:16 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D7CJc9009982 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:12:19 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.138] (c-66-30-3-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.30.3.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E199651AF for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes From: Seemant Kulleen <seemant@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9XraXwQnVUt+YnTrBZ0t" Organization: Gentoo Foundation Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:11:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 X-Archives-Salt: 9ef4baa5-0c43-46f7-a71e-fd2189e2e842 X-Archives-Hash: e3432446b909af16736a9364f435a780 --=-9XraXwQnVUt+YnTrBZ0t Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for expressing your point of view that clearly. I stand with you. Gentoo, for a while, has been taking itself *way* too seriously. Perhaps that mentality is part of the inevitability of a project's evolution through its own stages of life. Or perhaps, it's just human nature to shriek in a frenzy about things we don't like, and demand that "something must be done" and "won't someone please think of the children????" which brings this sort of action about. I've said for a while now (on this list, on my blogs) -- bad behaviour happens on this list because we (as a community) allow it to happen. If it's not encouraged and trolls are not fed, they die out. Part of the thrill of someone raising a pointless argument and picking on ridiculously petty details is the satisfaction gained from others taking that stupidity seriously and wasting their (and everyone else's) time with it. So I say to you (the developer community): stop the insanity. This whole business of whitelisting is rather a ridiculous notion, that is not scalable and serves only to create distance between those with @gentoo.org addresses and those without. As a result, the @gentoo.org island isolates itself even further than it is already. That in turn, only worsens whatever problems we perceive. What I find absolutely astounding is how much power Ciaran (we all know the elephant in the room that motivates this newest council announcement) wields over Gentoo. You know what? The fact that Gentoo as an entity still reacts to one person this way means, in all but name, that Ciaran actually is the de-facto lead developer of Gentoo. This leaves two courses of action. 1. Officially install him as such; or 2. Stop letting him wield his power over you. (yes, you, not us -- concentrate on how much you let him affect you). Thanks, Seemant --=-9XraXwQnVUt+YnTrBZ0t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGlyW6iUTIoXwgiI0RAgeSAJ93hl/hzMyaxOzVuTr2PKsqMwCf6gCgjOoe Z/ZOvYdyLpC2tG8E64arDqs= =DhOS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9XraXwQnVUt+YnTrBZ0t-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list