From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I989d-0000nT-Qg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:33:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CNVr0W024202; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:31:53 GMT Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CNTQSw021225 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:29:27 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D372480E2 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dQJ6otVNGrt for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.100.22] (dsl211-165-131.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [74.211.165.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70773248079 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ObHwLQ9HG0gKGs6RgrB1" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:28:22 -0700 Message-Id: <1184282902.8615.26.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-Archives-Salt: aec75149-78f1-45cb-8f46-6e7f765b739c X-Archives-Hash: cb4596b4b59751e7d5cf42a4e66f1f58 --=-ObHwLQ9HG0gKGs6RgrB1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 00:55 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Mike Doty wrote: > > We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to whe= re > > only devs can post, >=20 > Restricting freedom to post is like setting up surveilance and censorship > against terrorism. No, it is nothing like it. Removing the right to speak, which is granted solely and absolutely by Gentoo, is nothing like surveillance and censorship on citizens of a country that explicitly allows free speech. > I hate it when the "rulers" think they can impose such decisions upon the > people and do not see how they obviously impact their freedom. What "freedom" are you talking about? This is Gentoo, not some fictional country. The only "rights" people are given with regards to Gentoo are the rights given to them by the licenses under which our software is distributed and the rules under which we govern ourselves. We have *no* rule *anywhere* guaranteeing freedom of speech to *anyone* and shouldn't be compared to a country's laws which explicitly *does* grant that right. Remember that we do *not* grant free speech. The freedom to speak on official Gentoo media is a privilege, not a right, and it is a privilege that can be revoked. > If it is only against a single User who has done something bad, but again= st > all users in general, you are crazy .. Yes, because rules should never be enforced in a fair and equal manner against everyone. Instead, they should have special cases and be enforced differently for each person. Even better would be to allow the rich or popular to completely circumvent any rules put in place. That makes so much more sense than writing out a simple set of rules or guidelines and applying them unilaterally. Call me crazy, but... oh wait, you did. Nevermind... ;] --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-ObHwLQ9HG0gKGs6RgrB1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGlrkWkT4lNIS36YERAji9AJ433DBTPkmFTOagNFQrN7raT1t0+wCeJKCW FZq7Um+CBYwA7nOgpbfscrg= =6tsl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ObHwLQ9HG0gKGs6RgrB1-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list