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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:31 +0200, "Bryan =C3=98stergaard"
<bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com> said:
> On 7/12/07, Mike Doty <kingtaco@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to whe=
re only
> > devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.  devs who mod=
erate in
> >  bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves.  in addition the

Why?  Is it getting too much junk traffic?

> > gentoo-project list will be created to take over what -dev frequently b=
ecomes.
> >  there is no requirement to be on this new list.

Fine, but I don't understand why -dev would then have to be moderated.=20
If -dev is for core Gentoo stuff, and -project is for more specific
stuff or offshoots, why should one be moderated and the other not?

> > This will probably remove the need for -core(everything gets leaked out=
 anyway)
> > but that's a path to cross later.

How do you figure?  If -dev takes on everything from -core, then the
only purpose I can see for moderation is to squelch the opinions of
non-devs when controversial issues are discussed.  I can understand
moderation if non-devs are getting in the way (although I don't see any
evidence of that), but that would have nothing to do with -core.

> > We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now wou=
ld be
> > the time.

I don't officially have input, but I think this is a bad idea, or should
at least be presented along with some reasoning.  -dev is the way a lot
of people learn about Gentoo development, and it would be unfair to
force people including "devs-to-be" to wait for someone to approve their
posts.

> Consider this my last post ever to gentoo-dev ML if this really goes
> through. Degrading non-dev contributers like myself to second-class
> citizens is definitely not going to make me want to contribute
> anything more.

He's got a point.  And, as an arch tester, I'm going to be annoyed if
one day I need to ask something here and my post is delayed or lost
because I'm not a dev.
--=20
Thomas Tuttle - ttuttle@ttuttle.net - http://www.ttuttle.net/

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