From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-24927-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1I961A-0007Aw-OE for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:16:09 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CLDUaX030501; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:13:30 GMT Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLAnJW026983 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:10:50 GMT Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D6794FE for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.214]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:02:44 -0400 Received: by web5.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 18AD5DFD1; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1184274164.987.1199889551@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: vkbZp9xUlD2f9yDuNx1QdOojudmVRqsvieWJ7TpyD5G6 1184274164 From: "Thomas Tuttle" <gentoo@ttuttle.net> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <73967b650707121331n1482e7d8k926d925d38ba98fb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes In-Reply-To: <73967b650707121331n1482e7d8k926d925d38ba98fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:02:44 -0400 X-Archives-Salt: 2aabff5c-57d1-450d-ae9a-684c2f18f823 X-Archives-Hash: 83a744183c596b924e7be105746d8f89 On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:31 +0200, "Bryan =C3=98stergaard" <bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com> said: > On 7/12/07, Mike Doty <kingtaco@gentoo.org> wrote: > > We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to whe= re only > > devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who mod= erate in > > bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the Why? Is it getting too much junk traffic? > > gentoo-project list will be created to take over what -dev frequently b= ecomes. > > there is no requirement to be on this new list. Fine, but I don't understand why -dev would then have to be moderated.=20 If -dev is for core Gentoo stuff, and -project is for more specific stuff or offshoots, why should one be moderated and the other not? > > This will probably remove the need for -core(everything gets leaked out= anyway) > > but that's a path to cross later. How do you figure? If -dev takes on everything from -core, then the only purpose I can see for moderation is to squelch the opinions of non-devs when controversial issues are discussed. I can understand moderation if non-devs are getting in the way (although I don't see any evidence of that), but that would have nothing to do with -core. > > We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now wou= ld be > > the time. I don't officially have input, but I think this is a bad idea, or should at least be presented along with some reasoning. -dev is the way a lot of people learn about Gentoo development, and it would be unfair to force people including "devs-to-be" to wait for someone to approve their posts. > Consider this my last post ever to gentoo-dev ML if this really goes > through. Degrading non-dev contributers like myself to second-class > citizens is definitely not going to make me want to contribute > anything more. He's got a point. And, as an arch tester, I'm going to be annoyed if one day I need to ask something here and my post is delayed or lost because I'm not a dev. --=20 Thomas Tuttle - ttuttle@ttuttle.net - http://www.ttuttle.net/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list