From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I0M9f-00018w-Ja for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:40:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5IIdlX7009279; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:39:47 GMT Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (66-191-185-105.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [66.191.185.105]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IIbsu9007046 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:37:55 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCA32480E2 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:26:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zjPNPfge4mVx for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.100.51] (dsl211-165-131.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [74.211.165.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA936248079 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <46701D06.5080302@gentoo.org> <200706142041.37787.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> <4671B6F8.9070507@gentoo.org> <200706151001.17924.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> <467274D2.3080101@gentoo.org> <46728E08.8020200@gentoo.org> <4672E734.60703@thefreemanclan.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-j6raEoGGueSHV5s1Rjkn" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:34:40 -0700 Message-Id: <1182191680.14981.35.camel@workbox.quova.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-Archives-Salt: bb2563cb-7097-4d7b-8f57-66b214e20765 X-Archives-Hash: 9afbbd53eacb1f830975b8f2a6f7f2c6 --=-j6raEoGGueSHV5s1Rjkn Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 20:05 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > keep. Or is it that Skype are a big company so we have to kowtow? /me is > well-confused. It has nothing to do with money or the company, and everything to do with the number of people using it. While ion3 is uncommonly used, skype is much more popular. Also, the only real "problem" here is actually our own policy. There's nothing keeping the new skype from being added to the tree, whereas the new licensing for ion3 makes it pretty much impossible, masked or not. > (This is not for games, where practical consideration means updates are > needed quickly, and are thus usually kept in ~ as noted. Although, using > one of tuomov's ideas could change that too.. teh sigh.) In this case, I would put skype on par with games like eternal lands or other multiplayer-only games that need quick updates. Yes, older skype is still usable for people that have it installed, but for new users, they'll need a newer version. Also, remember that stabilization is *supposed* to be about the stabilization of the *ebuild* and not the *package* itself. Sure, we also use the stability of the package to determine if we want to stabilize an ebuild, but in the case of binary-only closed-source packages, there's nothing we can do if something is broken, anyway, so its stabilization status doesn't matter nearly as much. If the ebuild works fine, the package can be stable (or not) and there's nothing we can do about the actual quality of the package. Having a working and usable package, in this case, is more important than some policy which is really designed for open source software. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-j6raEoGGueSHV5s1Rjkn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGdtBAkT4lNIS36YERAvkNAJ9GDTzpO1no4d/tgOx1Ry4x6wiPwwCeMpeH sNbHajxJDtsF2Qgc2CG7YZE= =mpge -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-j6raEoGGueSHV5s1Rjkn-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list