Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

[Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org>]

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On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 21:25 -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 00:30 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> 
> > In my eyes it was a policy issue. Tree-wide policies have to pass the 
> > council in one form or the other. So why shouldn't Council care here?
> 
> My argument is not that Council should not care.  My question is: what's
> the big urgency to rush a half-baked policy through?

Except that nobody did that.  Read what was done.  What was done was a
*temporary* block on something that needed further discussion was put in
place.  Nobody held any emergency meeting.  A subset of the Council just
used some common sense and said something like "hey, maybe we should
block this until there is proper discussion and a proper solution is
found" which makes complete sense to me.  I wasn't even involved in the
situation and I can see how this happened.  As I said, anyone who cannot
see just how simple of a thing this was is either blind or specifically
looking for something to complain about.

> > I just wonder why several people feel attacked by this decission while 
> > the affected parties have no problem with it.
> 
> I hope you don't mean me here, because I haven't felt attacked at all.
> My concern isn't a personal one. Rather, it's a question that nobody
> from the council has actually answered: what was the big hurry to make a
> decision _NOW_ without even thinking through the migration path, or for
> that matter without even knowing what is the actual correct way.  It's
> fine to say that _rc_alpha_beta_p is wrong (and I happen to agree).
> It's another to not say what is actually right.  Furthermore, if only 3
> packages did the wrong thing where was the emergency?

There was no emergency.  Nobody from the Council has ever said it was an
emergency.  I think you were the one that stated that it was.  Also,
realize that the decision wasn't a solution to the problem.  Again,
nobody said that it was.  The only problem that I see is that we didn't
act soon enough.  As soon as there was some conflict on how to allow the
multiple version suffixes, somebody should have stopped any packages
form using them in the tree until a solution was decided.

> I'm not trying to make you defensive, I just really would like an answer
> to my question, that is all.

I've answered it to the best of my ability and it is hard to not get
defensive when every decision your group makes is attacked on multiple
fronts by people that put you in the position to make those exact same
decisions.  It really has made me wonder what the point in being on the
Council is if we can't do anything without being assaulted on all sides.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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