From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HgUfi-0006PV-2S for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3ONgk99030851; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:42:46 GMT Received: from smtp03.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (smtp-out3.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net [70.43.63.20]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ONeowX028607 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:40:51 GMT Received: from [10.10.10.179] (adsl-66-122-107-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.122.107.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp03.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ONelXV005689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:40:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86 From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200704250030.53826.kugelfang@gentoo.org> References: <200704242111.44663.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <200704250001.56920.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <1177453288.18325.9.camel@localhost> <200704250030.53826.kugelfang@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-62k0c9uaCefqW0lkO7oN" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:40:50 -0400 Message-Id: <1177458050.15811.36.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 X-Archives-Salt: b4904bfa-06cc-4d81-8836-e90d87cd49f6 X-Archives-Hash: bbea162d2cf0e9650cdab22db0411efc --=-62k0c9uaCefqW0lkO7oN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 00:30 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: > I just wonder why several people feel attacked by this decission while=20 > the affected parties have no problem with it. There is a growing anti-authority sentiment within the Gentoo developer community. People want to complain about any decision made, even if it doesn't affect them. This is the "power" of a free and open community. It allows people, even those that have no vested interest in the decision, to voice their opinions and have them heard. The problem here is that people think that their opinion or personal beliefs trump Council decisions, when they do not. As simplistic as it sounds, when the Council makes a decision you have only a very few choices: - Agree, accept it and move on - Disagree, accept it and move on - Disagree and appeal the decision at the next meeting - Disagree and vote out the current Council next election Yes, there are some more variations on the above, but I leave those as an exercise to the reader. The point here is that these constant "discussions" on how the Council is killing Gentoo simply because they might have made a decision that you personally might not make or they made it in a manner that you personally might not have used are doing nothing more than undermining the authority given to the Council by the developer community at large when they approved GLEP 39. If you disagree with a Council decision, there are procedures in place for you to be heard and for the decision to be appealed. Use those procedures. Trying to make every decision out to be some sort of abuse of power is getting quite old and tired and is going to lend people to not pay attention anymore, which would be sad if there ever *was* a case of the Council abusing its power. Welcome to the story of the developers that cried "abuse"... --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-62k0c9uaCefqW0lkO7oN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGLpWCkT4lNIS36YERAoVZAJ47xIRHuSpd80XGRdxlI4GEDdHNpgCgma5p qWbEutqIogaO+pKBf6Eb4cY= =/wAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-62k0c9uaCefqW0lkO7oN-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list