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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in  gentoo-x86
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:40:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1177458050.15811.36.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200704250030.53826.kugelfang@gentoo.org>

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On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 00:30 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> I just wonder why several people feel attacked by this decission while 
> the affected parties have no problem with it.

There is a growing anti-authority sentiment within the Gentoo developer
community.  People want to complain about any decision made, even if it
doesn't affect them.  This is the "power" of a free and open community.
It allows people, even those that have no vested interest in the
decision, to voice their opinions and have them heard.

The problem here is that people think that their opinion or personal
beliefs trump Council decisions, when they do not.  As simplistic as it
sounds, when the Council makes a decision you have only a very few
choices:

- Agree, accept it and move on
- Disagree, accept it and move on
- Disagree and appeal the decision at the next meeting
- Disagree and vote out the current Council next election

Yes, there are some more variations on the above, but I leave those as
an exercise to the reader.  The point here is that these constant
"discussions" on how the Council is killing Gentoo simply because they
might have made a decision that you personally might not make or they
made it in a manner that you personally might not have used are doing
nothing more than undermining the authority given to the Council by the
developer community at large when they approved GLEP 39.  If you
disagree with a Council decision, there are procedures in place for you
to be heard and for the decision to be appealed.  Use those procedures.
Trying to make every decision out to be some sort of abuse of power is
getting quite old and tired and is going to lend people to not pay
attention anymore, which would be sad if there ever *was* a case of the
Council abusing its power.

Welcome to the story of the developers that cried "abuse"...

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-24 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-24 19:11 [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86 Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 19:15 ` Steve Dibb
2007-04-24 19:31   ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-25  7:51     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-25  7:57       ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-25  8:17         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-25 17:06           ` Joshua Jackson
2007-04-25 17:11             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-25 17:37               ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2007-04-25  8:01       ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-25  8:08       ` Luca Barbato
2007-04-24 19:54   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 20:47     ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 20:56       ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 21:06       ` Alexis Ballier
2007-04-24 21:34         ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 21:11       ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 21:08         ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 21:19           ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-25  6:13           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-04-25  6:55             ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-25  7:50               ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-04-25 16:12               ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-25 16:21                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-25 16:49                   ` Chrissy Fullam
2007-04-25 16:40                 ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-25 16:49                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-24 21:20       ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-04-24 21:24         ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-04-24 21:42           ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 22:05             ` Stephen Bennett
2007-04-24 22:04               ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 22:29                 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-04-24 22:56                   ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 23:19                   ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 23:24                     ` Jurek Bartuszek
2007-04-24 21:32         ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 21:41         ` Marius Mauch
2007-04-24 21:03     ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-24 21:40       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-04-25  4:32         ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-25  5:30           ` Alec Warner
2007-04-25  9:08             ` Marius Mauch
2007-04-24 19:16 ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 19:25   ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-04-24 19:59     ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 19:37   ` Stephen Bennett
2007-04-24 19:49     ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 19:53       ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-04-24 20:00         ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 20:33           ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-04-24 20:40             ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 20:39           ` Ned Ludd
2007-04-24 21:46             ` Seemant Kulleen
     [not found]               ` <200704250001.56920.kugelfang@gentoo.org>
2007-04-24 22:21                 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-04-24 22:30                   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 23:40                     ` Chris Gianelloni [this message]
2007-04-25  1:25                     ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-04-25 16:10                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-24 23:31                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-25  1:05                     ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-04-25 11:08                       ` Richard Freeman
2007-04-25 15:52                         ` Alec Warner
2007-04-25 16:21                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-24 19:54       ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-04-24 20:14         ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 21:25         ` Marius Mauch
     [not found]       ` <20070424211212.0c670242@maya>
2007-04-24 20:08         ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 19:50   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 20:01     ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-25  7:53   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-25 17:58     ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-25 18:19       ` Joshua Jackson
2007-04-24 19:29 ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 21:35   ` Marius Mauch
2007-04-24 20:16 ` Petteri Räty
2007-04-24 20:46   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-24 20:38     ` Doug Goldstein
2007-04-24 21:47     ` Mike Auty
2007-04-24 21:01 ` [PROCTORS] " Wernfried Haas
2007-04-24 21:26   ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-04-25 16:56 ` Brian Harring
2007-04-25 23:37   ` Stephen Bennett

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