From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-22585-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1HcMpU-0007wr-Hg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:32:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3DEV6pV015706; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:31:06 GMT Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3DESsX9013258 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:28:54 GMT Received: (qmail 64896 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2007 14:28:52 -0000 Received: from 203.197.174.50 (HELO ?10.0.0.73?) (203.197.174.50) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2007 14:28:52 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 203.197.174.50 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal From: Andrew Cowie <andrew@operationaldynamics.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20070410193249.GD7991@ubik> References: <20070410193249.GD7991@ubik> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0kCDH5kQuk1kSbMsOiOG" Organization: Operational Dynamics Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:21 +0530 Message-Id: <1176472581.13501.66.camel@procyon.operationaldynamics.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 X-Archives-Salt: 23fd4899-ab7a-49c6-9c7f-fcd2e30820d6 X-Archives-Hash: 6bbd22e1eaf1abb87dfb7328d042d421 --=-0kCDH5kQuk1kSbMsOiOG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote: > as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking sh= ip, > with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fu= n > working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big refor= mation A well considered and thoughtful message. Reinvigorating communities is hard, and I hope the rest of the Gentoo developer community will find inspiration from the gentle encouragement to be positive, even if it turns out the specific ideas aren't the direction you want to go. For all that the original poster got hammered about the stage4 thing, as a long time Gentoo advocate I must admit that the constant stream of negativity connected with so many developers getting upset and leaving in a relatively short period of time is vaguely unsettling. It's good to see other developers noting that they are happy - it balances things. One of the hallmarks of Gentoo has been whole tree co-ordination and the fact that developers are able to cover for each other is really rather cool. Regardless of any structural changes you might make, this characteristic co-ordination and co-operation is what has made Gentoo an impressive distribution and so I hope you manage to maintain this spirit in the years to come. AfC Bangalore --=20 Andrew Frederick Cowie Technology strategy, managing change, establishing procedures, and executing successful upgrades to mission critical business infrastructure. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London --=-0kCDH5kQuk1kSbMsOiOG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGH4wFLVETDFf2570RAt1rAJ47KRzajawIUKNDuJ8bMmrQ92xBFQCcCgnS DAII6yZFHckqVyL6RPsbJjk= =RarY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0kCDH5kQuk1kSbMsOiOG-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list