From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HbO8o-00001q-Mv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:43 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3ALfpVb012376; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:41:51 GMT Received: from smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (smtp-out1.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net [70.43.63.18]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALYu8X032547 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:34:57 GMT Received: from [10.3.23.140] (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALIxQu000900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:18:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <461BF890.9030600@subsignal.org> References: <20070410193249.GD7991@ubik> <1176236958.8836.26.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <461BF890.9030600@subsignal.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-dfyLB+s3jydwi7S5D5jN" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:18:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1176239939.8836.39.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 X-Archives-Salt: 71692274-e225-4f21-8f7f-95e241262853 X-Archives-Hash: 3bf2cfa497dcd03d751142b2f5484ff0 --=-dfyLB+s3jydwi7S5D5jN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, paul@subsignal.org wrote: > it's just so easy to step on other > ppls feet these days ;) I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become too territorial. Many times I see bugs filed with seemingly minor changes being asked for. A good example is bug #173884 which is a completely valid request. The change is simple, removing "insinto /etc/env.d ; doins $somefile" and replacing it with "doenvd $somefile" instead. Now, this is something that *anyone* with commit access should feel comfortable doing to *anyone's* packages without fear of being attacked for touching someone else's packages. Unfortunately, we're all a bit too territorial over what we keep in the tree sometimes. If we had more explicit freedom to touch other people's packages for minor things, we would go a lot further towards the goal of being a community of mutually respectful people working towards a common goal. Our rule of thumb here is pretty simple... "If you touch it, don't break it. If you break it, fix it." Some people have become too frightened to touch packages for even typo fixes due to the territoriality of some of our developers. We need to fix this and have a more open and welcoming feeling for new developers and old developers alike. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-dfyLB+s3jydwi7S5D5jN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGG/9DkT4lNIS36YERAuYbAJ9VYZlsQqgT4V6LTxrT/iTWVJ0uwgCfXDlU IP9TxmM9McXxNc/rP3fl9do= =U1sI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-dfyLB+s3jydwi7S5D5jN-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list