From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HZUoD-0000vJ-6p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l35GQe0I008864; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:26:40 GMT Received: from smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (smtp-out1.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net [70.43.63.18]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35GODlV005765 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:24:13 GMT Received: from [10.3.23.140] (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35GO6xr019646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <46151DF9.40308@gentoo.org> References: <20070401092940.1B4C26441E@smtp.gentoo.org> <20070404193643.GA7174@ubik> <20070404201717.GB25883@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <20070405092641.00676b6d@snowflake> <20070405120912.GA5025@superlupo> <20070405145119.48a89957@snowflake> <1175784457.8641.26.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <20070405160049.0d958651@snowflake> <1175786542.8641.35.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <46151DF9.40308@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-U7fWk81aA5E5ljZx1Ocm" Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:24:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1175790246.8641.46.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 X-Archives-Salt: 7e7073e0-883c-4ac8-8132-b457f5f377a9 X-Archives-Hash: 97779b08a541b08a6865d172ed7c7f65 --=-U7fWk81aA5E5ljZx1Ocm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:04 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 16:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> Honestly, the only reason there is any suggestion of a conspiracy is > >> because of the threats being made by certain people to keep a certain > >> log a secret... > >=20 > > The log contains information that was given to us in confidence. How > > much plainer do I have to make it? We can not, and WILL NOT break that > > trust. It really is that simple. >=20 > Here's how it appears to someone reading all this, though: >=20 > Ciaran *already knows* what's going on, which means that some person(s) > who *were* privy to those meetings have talked, plain and simple. If > that's true, then the information is out one way or another, and now the > Council can decide if they want to talk about it first or let someone > who wasn't actually at those meetings to divulge all the details. Well, from what I can gather, he only *thinks* he knows what was going on and he's filled in the blanks himself with whatever ideas he's come up with on his own. If he really does have the logs, he wouldn't be spouting off at the mouth since he would know that there's nothing damning in there, at all. > I guess it comes down to the trust you expect the Gentoo developers who > voted for you in the first place to have in you against the trust the > council members have in each other. This isn't a matter of throwing > someone to the wolves, but consider the rest of the trust. :) I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Are you saying that Gentoo developers would lose trust in us because we are keeping our word to people who spoke to us in confidence? Are you referring to a potential leak? As I said, I will not betray the trust put in me. If someone says something in confidence to me, it'll stay that way. I cannot speak for all of the other Council members, but I put the same level of trust in them to do the same. If one of them really has taken private conversations and made them public, then we really do have a problem and we need to address it, because that can severely damage Gentoo as a whole very easily. If nobody trusts us anymore, why will they support us? Simple. They won't. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-U7fWk81aA5E5ljZx1Ocm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGFSKmkT4lNIS36YERAkpQAJ9w8fh1TrbXzErtFDYwMeW8pq9oJACguKi6 cIYEtWYQwas/u7//umh1EFk= =B/kS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-U7fWk81aA5E5ljZx1Ocm-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list