From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GX3E3-0004od-J9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:03:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k99M1JwU008633; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:01:19 GMT Received: from smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99LwamK001574 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:58:37 GMT Received: from [10.3.23.152] (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k99LxmZU018852 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:59:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200610090740.54261.karimarie@mail.rit.edu> References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160059716.10489.38.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200610090740.54261.karimarie@mail.rit.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-7u+L0J6tEdH8bYQVyrdD" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:58:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1160431116.10496.45.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 X-Archives-Salt: 354388e0-b3e5-44d8-8de6-25b5107cb280 X-Archives-Hash: 270fde5b008529b39279d00e4b629278 --=-7u+L0J6tEdH8bYQVyrdD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 07:40 -0400, Kari Hazzard wrote: > On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want= ? >=20 > So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer = is=20 > more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the Gentoo way. Start building... > "If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool= is=20 > working against, rather than for, the user. We have all experienced=20 > situations where tools seem to be imposing their respective wills on us. = This=20 > is backwards, and contrary to the Gentoo philosophy." - Daniel Robbins That's nice. Nobody is forcing you to use the Installer. Nobody is forcing you to even use Gentoo release media to do your installations. Your "point" here is a complete non-point. You're completely welcome to take the minimal CD, a stage3 tarball, and wget and build your own Universal CD. You're also more than welcome to fire up catalyst and build a Universal CD yourself. What you are *not* welcome to do is try to tell me how I'm going to spend the time that I volunteer to Gentoo. Now, if you would like to hire me to build a Universal CD, then contact me and we can discuss my compensation. Otherwise, I have more important things (to me) to spend my time doing. > > See, what *you* seem to be missing is that we're trying to provide a > > better environment for our users. The LiveCD is *not* just an > > installation medium anymore. It is a full-fledged Gentoo environment. > > It can be used for showcasing Gentoo, as well as system recovery *and* > > installation. >=20 > There's a thing called self-reference criteria. It's anathema in marketin= g. If=20 > you think you know what is best for your users, you will all of your user= s=20 > and thus most of your employees. Your users know what is best for them, *= not*=20 > you, as you are not a user (whether you have it installed on your desktop= =20 > notwithstanding you are *not* a user). If your users still want a Univers= al=20 > LiveCD, then the onus is on Gentoo to provide one. I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Release Engineering has a constant problem of not having enough help. Now some people want to try to tell us that we need to do more work just because they don't like a little change. Well guess what, never going to happen. It's pretty simple. So long as we have limited resources, we're going to spend our limited time on what *we* want to spend time doing. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-7u+L0J6tEdH8bYQVyrdD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFKsYMkT4lNIS36YERAg5/AKCpAl9mNUKfgqHzkl5eLSnjpj6SSACfewlJ jboCrRPKLwttMCxHsA/oGOA= =Kz/K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-7u+L0J6tEdH8bYQVyrdD-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list