From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVz7o-0006fE-Of for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:29:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k96NSAxb017467; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:28:10 GMT Received: from smtp05.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96NQ6DH021879 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:26:06 GMT Received: from [10.3.23.152] (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp05.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k96NSCM7022932 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:28:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1160126645l.10360l.0l@spike> References: <20061004070014.843d851d.tcort@gentoo.org> <45239C82.2050502@gentoo.org> <1159972037.10543.28.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <1160126645l.10360l.0l@spike> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-YbnmBxlDL0CX97AK2pW6" Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:26:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1160177163.10578.70.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 X-Archives-Salt: c2653f6b-eec2-48f0-9900-e73f67512a6a X-Archives-Hash: 168759e88cb2fb79934e1db16cba7da6 --=-YbnmBxlDL0CX97AK2pW6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 10:24 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > Before you can have useful reports, you need a plan to report against. > Like a target date for 2007.0 and its contents. Such a plan depends on =20 > other projects delivering the contents in accordance with their own =20 > plans. Like real life, these plans will have external dependencies on =20 > $UPSTREAM, that Gentoo has little or no control over. Please stop assuming that Release Engineering has any control over what goes on in the tree. Not only do we not have any such control, we also do not *want* any such control. A release is a *snapshot* of the Gentoo repository at a given time. We don't "plan" its contents because we *know* that we cannot make any guarantees. There's no point in saying "we're going to have Gnome 2.18" when we have zero control over it. Instead, as time nears for our planned snapshot date, we work with other teams to determine if they have things that are *close* to that snapshot date. For example, if we plan on doing a snapshot on Monday, and KDE plans on making a new version stable on Wednesday, we might hold off until Wednesday to accommodate them, but we don't pressure anyone to try to meet some arbitrary deadlines. We might also adjust the snapshot itself (as we did this release with Gnome). I'll be honest, Release Engineering work is *very* stressful. My primary goal as the lead is to try to come up with ways to make working on a release easier for the guys doing the work. I don't see how doing reporting improves their lives. After all, we put out four "reports" a year, two releases, and two meetings between the releases where we plan the next release. Anything more than that is wasteful. ;] --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation --=-YbnmBxlDL0CX97AK2pW6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFJuYLkT4lNIS36YERAuhbAJ9VbzFjd6GNiJJAoEF6xMUfwnwwCwCfbgMT IdOEt9/qLnj3848iuzthqQo= =Bvt8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-YbnmBxlDL0CX97AK2pW6-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list