From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVcxu-0004OI-Ti for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:49:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k95NmM5K030176; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:48:22 GMT Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NkQrd022878 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:46:26 GMT Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=spike) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GVcv3-00048O-GE for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:46:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:46:24 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20061004070014.843d851d.tcort@gentoo.org> <200610041332.14072.phreak@gentoo.org> <45239E81.4080201@gentoo.org> <20061004121516.GB28950@lostlogicx.com> In-Reply-To: <20061004121516.GB28950@lostlogicx.com> (from lostlogic@gentoo.org on Wed Oct 4 13:15:16 2006) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.13 Message-Id: <1160091984l.10255l.2l@spike> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [62.3.120.141] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k95NkQrd022878 X-Archives-Salt: 1a067c11-e6a0-4a46-9306-682f4a6291d0 X-Archives-Hash: 0c4e56cc8dd361b4ade1c31347ae5ea6 On 2006.10.04 13:15, Brandon Low wrote: > As usual, sweeping new policies or procedures WILL NOT FIX THINGS. > > [snip] > --Brandon Since I have been a Gentoo user, there have been two completely different management styles in use. When drobbins was around, he was like the MD and Gentoo was managed as if it were a single project. Since that time, Gentoo has grown into a loose knit collection of smaller projects all doing their own thing. Higher level collaboration must be happening because releng relay on all the bits coming together but its not much in evidence. There are two options for Gentoo. We can add some reporting and control to make Gentoo appear as a single cohesive project, the price for that is some bureaucracy. Or we can continue management by tribal warfare, as is evidenced by the flame fests on this list. Both take about the same amount of effort from the participants. What we lack to manage Gentoo as a single project is a proactive management body. Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list