From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVAWN-0006dS-Rq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:27:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94HOchN011751; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:24:38 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HIaFJ001937 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:18:40 GMT Received: from liasis.inforead.com (unknown [216.200.97.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED6764434; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in Developer Relations and log of devrel meeting From: Ferris McCormick To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Ciaran McCreesh In-Reply-To: <20061004153930.4f25d022@snowdrop.home> References: <20061004064152.GW12566@woodpecker.gentoo.org> <20061004110829.38103df2@snowdrop.home> <1159957754.8221.1.camel@lotus.datanode.net> <20061004122730.68ede47f@snowdrop.home> <4523C168.70509@gentoo.org> <20061004153930.4f25d022@snowdrop.home> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Ctra58mwtiUYuEUJMKr2" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:30:15 +0000 Message-Id: <1159979415.7421.42.camel@liasis.inforead.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Archives-Salt: 651e07b5-0d0c-4e38-bbf4-c8d516a2aa07 X-Archives-Hash: d41e691083307ddf285d9172cbf7131f --=-Ctra58mwtiUYuEUJMKr2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:39 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:12:56 -0700 Josh Saddler > wrote: > | > Uh, read again. You missed the point. I'm not talking about the > | > logged meetings here. I'm talking about the goings on in a certain > | > private IRC channel. > | > | You're just pissy because you weren't invited to the party. >=20 > Naah. As anyone in devrel will tell you, someone forwards me complete > logs of the private devrel IRC channel, all the email sent to the alias > and spycam footage of their orgies. >=20 > Seriously though, devrel keeping things private probably isn't a good > idea even if they're not using said private things to plot behind > people's backs any more. Given that they've done it in the past, it > only lends credibility to people who're claiming that devrel are out to > get them for personal reasons... >=20 A very few discussions must be private: Consider that except for some documentation and policy, our only "product" is developers and the interactions among them, really. Now, if we were of one mind, there would be no problem, but we are not --- we are individuals with individual approaches and philosophies (even the log which triggered this thread might give some indications of that). Like it or not, this means that some discussions can include references to people which usually are not intended (the references; we can't speak to the history of the people), but in public might be injurious. Obviously I am not going to elaborate, but you can probably imagine situations which can set off such discussions. Now, that said, we (devrel) agree that we do too much in private, and believe it or not, we try to avoid it (I think the log contains some mention of this, too). So with the one (small, actually) exception outlined at length above, I think devrel pretty much agrees with ciaranm's observation; I believe it is our (informal) policy to work in public with -private as the exception. This doesn't mean we always observe said "policy", but we are aware of the issues. For example, I refer you to ribosome's observation in the log at 20:57 and kloeri's followup at 20:57 -- 58. I should emphasize that I am speaking as an individual member of devrel, I am giving my own spin on things, and I do NOT speak here for devrel as a whole. Regards, Ferris --=20 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc) --=-Ctra58mwtiUYuEUJMKr2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFI+GXQa6M3+I///cRAuwvAJ4yTIaLyYDYt/C1TtwU/QqLHTY+JwCfcmBD WjSoY/jqnjAZEnIiKoZlY6w= =n2B7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Ctra58mwtiUYuEUJMKr2-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list