[gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[Chris Gianelloni]

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This is a simple summary of the recent Gentoo Council meeting from
September 14th, 2006.

Present council members: flameeyes, kingtaco, kugelfang, kloeri,
robbat2, wolf31o2, vapier (late)

First, we voted if we should allow "impromptu" meetings, outside of the
monthly schedule.  This passed with 6/7 votes, with vapier abstaining
due to tardiness.  The consensus on the meetings is as follows:

We will allow meetings outside of the schedule on time sensitive issues.
The meeting needs more than 5 council members, and it should be done
with no less than 3 days notice, unless the council unanimously decides
to hold it sooner.

Next were concerns brought about from the QA team.  We decided (6/7,
vapier abstaining) that the QA team should work with other concerned
parties to determine the requirements for moving the devmanual SVN to
Gentoo infrastructure, since it is considered an official Gentoo
product, before any further decision on it can be made.  It was also
decided that the QA team should work on their own policies, with input
from other teams, for approval by the council.  The council volunteered
to assist in coordination, if necessary.

Next, we decided to push the monthly meetings to 2000UTC on the second
Thursday of the month to better suit the new council's availability.

During the open floor, we decided that there was no need to mention
conflicts for most council members, as we should all be adults and
capable of making unbiased decisions.  The exception to this (being
adults... just kidding...) was kloeri in response to escalations from
devrel, as he is the lead there.  This also lead to roll-call being
updated to show everyone's current roles, so transparency is maintained.

After some minor discussion about USians not knowing their own country
code (*grin*) we adjourned.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 17:18 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> This is a simple summary of the recent Gentoo Council meeting from
> September 14th, 2006.

...and this is the raw log:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060914.txt

I should have mentioned that in the prior email.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[Duncan]

Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> posted
1158618975.9786.78.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org, excerpted below, on  Mon,
18 Sep 2006 18:36:15 -0400:

> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 17:18 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>> This is a simple summary of the recent Gentoo Council meeting from
>> September 14th, 2006.
> 
> ...and this is the raw log:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060914.txt
> 
> I should have mentioned that in the prior email.

FWIW, I like this summary format (with inclusion of the log URL, of
course). Please continue the trend. =8^)

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

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[gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[Bryan Østergaard]

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Hi all, here's the complete log from the Council Meeting + a short
summary.

Summary:
All council members was present (Andrew Gaffney (agaffney) proxied for
Chris Gianello (wolf31o2)).

Agenda was:
1. Reply-to-list
2. SPF
3. QA update / plans
4. Bugzilla status

1. Council decided that there were no need to change mailinglist behaviour
regarding reply-to-list. Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) mentioned that a
replytolist plugin for thunderbird-2 had just been committed the day
before. Bryan will update the handbook to include information on
procmail recipes to change reply-to behaviour on an individual basis.
Bug 154595 tracks progress of this update.

2. Council decided that Infra needs to document use of third party smtp
servers and usage of dev.gentoo.org SMTP server. Bug 154594 tracks this
issue.

3. Bryan Østergaard gave a short update on QA team on behalf of Stephen
Bennett (spb). Plans currently include:
- Documenting EAPI-0 and PMS (Package Manager Standard)
- Doing more automated QA checks.
- Implementing GLEP 48 (see http://glep.gentoo.org/glep-0048.html)
- Working out what each QA team member wants to work on.

4. Robin Johnson (robbat2) gave a quick status update on bugzilla. The
load-balanced mysql is working very well now but there's still some
webserver tuning that needs to be done. There's no timeframe as such as
there might still be unexpected issues cropping up.

Open floor discussion:
Torsten Veller asked if there was any news on portage tree signing.
Robin Johnson said there was no news as he'd spend all his time working
on new bugzilla setup and anonymous cvs.

Regards,
Bryan Østergaard

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21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, we starting this shindig?
21:01 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+m] by kingtaco|laptop
21:01 <@Kugelfang> sure
21:01 <@Flameeyes> ready to rumble
21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, whos the logger this month?
21:01 <@kloeri> me?
21:01 <@Kugelfang> i propose kloeri
21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> done
21:01 <@robbat2> ok
21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> who's here
21:01  * Kugelfang 
21:01  * robbat2 robbat2
21:02  * agaffney raises his hand with his wolf31o2 mask on
21:02  * kingtaco|laptop kingtaco
21:02  * Flameeyes is here and is logging as usual
21:02 <@Kugelfang> vapier: stop hiding
21:02  * kingtaco|laptop pokes spanky with a stick
21:02 <@kloeri> heh
21:02 <@SpanKY> reading books
21:02 <@agaffney> he was just here :P
21:02  * agaffney throw his copy of Dune at SpanKY
21:02 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:02 <@kingtaco|laptop> topics for today
21:03 <@Kugelfang> so, let's discuss Reply-To and SPF first please
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 1.  spf
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 2.  reply-to
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 3. QA
21:03 <@Kugelfang> i'd like to have reply-to first
21:03 <@Kugelfang> if nobody objects
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 4.  bugs
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> anytthing else?
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, sure
21:03 <@Flameeyes> Kugelfang, start then
21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight
21:04 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, go for it
21:04 <@Kugelfang> ok, Reply-TO:
21:04 <@Kugelfang> some people want to switch -core ML to add a reply-to filed to the mail header
21:04 <@Kugelfang> others just want to make all mailing lists show the same behaviour
21:04 <@Kugelfang> i say: get a new mail client or use the procmail recipes that wolf posted to gentoo-dev ML
21:04 <@kingtaco|laptop> my position is that it's been posted for both procmail and maildrop the way for a person to configure it to either preference
21:05 <@Kugelfang> exactly
21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> I don't see any reason to change
21:05 <@Kugelfang> this is why i want to immediately vote on this
21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone else?
21:05 <@kloeri> I just committed a reply-to-list plugin for thunderbird-2 yesterday
21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> and there you go
21:05 <@Kugelfang> excellent
21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> yet another way
21:05 <@agaffney> it would be nice for all the lists to behave the same, but the behavior can be changed with procmail
21:05 <@Flameeyes> for me it's fine as it is, if the mail clients aren't good enough, just improve them
21:05 <@Kugelfang> vote: DonÄ't change reply-to for gentoo-core or any other mailing list
21:05 <@agaffney> so it's really a non-issue
21:05 <@kloeri> so we're not touching thunderbird itself but still fixing the client :)
21:05  * Kugelfang votes yes
21:06  * kingtaco|laptop yes
21:06  * kloeri votes yes
21:06  * robbat2 yes
21:06  * Flameeyes yes
21:06  * agaffney yes
21:06 <@SpanKY> umm clarify "dont change"
21:06 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: you'r elagging
21:06 <@Flameeyes> SpanKY?
21:06 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, no change
21:06 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: don't change from what it's currently doing
21:06 <@SpanKY> "dont change existing behavior for any lists"
21:06 <@kloeri> no header munging
21:06 -!- Falco [n=Falco@gentoo/developer/falco] has joined #gentoo-council
21:06 <@kingtaco|laptop> yea
21:06 <@Kugelfang> precisely
21:06 <@SpanKY> we're doing header munging now
21:06 <@SpanKY> for all non-core lists
21:06 <@kloeri> not on -core
21:07 <@kloeri> yes
21:07 <@Kugelfang> correct...
21:07 <@Kugelfang> i think this is a non-issue
21:07 <@SpanKY> so "dont change" could mean "dont set Reply-To on non-core lists"
21:07 <@Kugelfang> no
21:07 <@SpanKY> if you're going with "dont change existing behavior" then whatever, that's fine
21:07 <@Flameeyes> don't change the behaviour from the current one
21:07 <@kingtaco|laptop> on any list
21:07 <@agaffney> SpanKY: "don't change" means "leave everything alone"
21:07 <@Flameeyes> I'd suggest also to update the documentation on the dev handbook
21:07 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:08 <@Flameeyes> so that new devs can see the way to change -core behaviour through procmail
21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> so we're not changing behavior
21:08 <@Kugelfang> i'm sorry that my vote request was not precise
21:08 <@SpanKY> seems lame that everything acts the same but one list, but ive personally never had a problem and i dont use rules
21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, devrel handles that?
21:08 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: sure
21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> I would like one thing though, someone write up a doc explaining how to change it to your preference
21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, can you make it so? :)
21:08 <@Kugelfang> ok, next try.
21:08 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, that's what I said :P
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21:08 <@kloeri> I think I just volunteered..
21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> Flameeyes, ah, I missed that
21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, next issue
21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, perfect
21:09 <@Flameeyes> spf then
21:09 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, spf?
21:09 <@Kugelfang> Don't change the current behaviour of reply-to munging for all gentoo mailing lists, including gentoo-core
21:09 <@Kugelfang> did we agree on that?
21:09 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: yes
21:09 <@Flameeyes> Kugelfang, yes
21:09 <@agaffney> I believe so
21:09 <@Kugelfang> good
21:09 <@kingtaco|laptop> yes
21:09 <@Kugelfang> SPF:
21:09 <@Kugelfang> for the first, i'd like to voice kurt, if he's available
21:09 <@robbat2> err, I didn't see a final vote from spanky
21:10 <@Kugelfang> @SpanKY> if you're going with "dont change existing behavior" then whatever, that's fine
21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, "thats fine"
21:10 <@robbat2> ok
21:10 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, he said he's fine, although he's hardly needed to confirm his own vote at this point :P
21:10 <@Kugelfang> hm, kurt's not here
21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I've invited
21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> lets see if he's here
21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> wanna make it last?
21:10 <@Kugelfang> hmm
21:10 <@Flameeyes> fine by me
21:10 <@agaffney> he's active
21:11 -!- klieber [i=klieber@freenode/facilities-host/gentoo/klieber] has joined #gentoo-council
21:11 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:11 <@SpanKY> do we need him to state anything else
21:11 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v klieber] by kingtaco|laptop
21:11 <@SpanKY> he's already posted enough info
21:11 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v kingtaco|laptop] by Kugelfang
21:11 <@Kugelfang> ups
21:11 -!- dostrow [n=dostrow@gentoo/developer/dostrow] has joined #gentoo-council
21:11 <@SpanKY> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/spf.xml
21:11 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: i got a question
21:11 -!- welp [n=welp@gentoo/contributor/welp] has joined #gentoo-council
21:11 <@Kugelfang> klieber: hi, thanks for joining
21:11 <+klieber> 'lo
21:11 <@Kugelfang> klieber: i got one question regarding to our current setup
21:11 <@agaffney> klieber: did you state how you got the mail sent from your gmail with your @gentoo.org in From: to give *negative* score in SA?
21:12 <+klieber> agaffney: because it was sent via a valid MX for that domain.
21:12 <+klieber> via the return-path
21:12 <@robbat2> valid MX for the domain in the return path
21:12 <@Kugelfang> klieber: why do we use the TXT record still, though there has been an SPF record added to DNS?
21:12 <+klieber> Kugelfang: the SPF record is a TXT record
21:12 <@Kugelfang> klieber: not according to the RFC
21:12 <+klieber> that's what you put in DNS -- a TXT record (vs. A or MX)
21:13 <@Kugelfang> klieber: it says for servers that don'T support it, you can use TXT
21:13 <@Kugelfang> klieber: for other, you should use SPF
21:13 <+klieber> 1 sec
21:13 <@Kugelfang> sure
21:13 <+klieber> I'm at work now
21:13 <@SpanKY> is that really relevant to the issue at hand ?
21:13 <@kingtaco|laptop> I don't think so
21:13 <@agaffney> no
21:14 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I think the debate is to use ?all *all or not publish spf
21:14 <+wolf31o2> ok guys... I'm out
21:14 <@Kugelfang> *shrug*, i just wanted to be covers for any decission that could come up
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21:14 <+klieber> http://www.openspf.org/dns.html <-- that says use txt.
21:14 <+klieber> so if there is an SPF record, it's news to me
21:14 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, how does the dns type matter though?
21:14 <@agaffney> klieber: in my current setup (at home and at work), I have my @g.o address set as an identity and send out through the local mail server. how would I set this up to get a negative score in SA?
21:15 <@Kugelfang> kingtaco|laptop: well, i can discuss it with klieber later on
21:15 <@agaffney> I bet most people's setups are closet to mine than your gmail example
21:15 <@agaffney> *closer
21:15 <@Kugelfang> kingtaco|laptop: it was one of the points that critics bring up in regard to SPF
21:15 <+klieber> guys, i have a meeting -- I have to go.  sorry.
21:15 <+klieber> agaffney: don't forge return-path, you won't piss off SPF.  thats the bottom line.
21:15 <@SpanKY> thx klieber
21:15 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I don't see how it applies though
21:15  * klieber vanishes
21:15 <@kingtaco|laptop> thanks klieber
21:15 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, is the mail server authenticated or open?
21:16 <@SpanKY> brb, FYI i vote in favor of keeping SPF as is
21:16 <@agaffney> it only relays to internal IPs
21:16 <@Flameeyes> authenticated mail servers usually just rewrite the Return-Path with the actual user used
21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> guys, can we agree that someone(infra?) will document how to use a 3rd party email server with spf?
21:16 <@Flameeyes> [gmail for instance]
21:16 <@agaffney> kingtaco|laptop: that would certainly be one solution
21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> so we don't end up spending an hour figuring it out :)
21:16 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, that would be useful, yes
21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone oppose?
21:17 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, and also update the documentation about the use of the gentoo ssmtp server
21:17 <@agaffney> with examples for all major MTAs (postfix, exim, qmail, etc.)
21:17 <@kloeri> documentation on using third party and gentoo ssmtp server would solve it imo
21:17 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, same for me
21:17 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, vote: infra updates smtp docs and adds docs about howto use spf.  spf stays the same, and if it's needed we're revisit
21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> *we'll
21:18 <@Flameeyes> s/we're/we'll/ i suppose?
21:18 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: wfm
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21:18 <@Flameeyes> yes for me too
21:18  * kingtaco|laptop yes
21:18 <@agaffney> yes, but it needs to be in a timely fashion
21:18 <@Kugelfang> klieber: see RFC4408, Section 3.1.1
21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, a month
21:18 <@agaffney> kingtaco|laptop: WFM
21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> next council meeting
21:18 <@robbat2> works for me
21:18  * Kugelfang votes yes
21:19 <@agaffney> proper docs by the next meeting or SPF goes?
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY?
21:19 <@agaffney> or atleast it gets "revisited" :P
21:19 <@kloeri> proper docs
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, not really, it'll be reviewed
21:19 <@SpanKY> [15:16] <SpanKY> brb, FYI i vote in favor of keeping SPF as is
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> heh
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> next topic then
21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, wanna update us on bugs?
21:20 <@robbat2> kingtaco|laptop, go play with bugstest.g.o folks
21:20 <@robbat2> it's up
21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, in "final" configuration?
21:20 <@robbat2> i'm happy with the db stuff, but I think the web needs more tuning
21:20 <@Kugelfang> yay
21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> any questions?
21:20 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, do you have a timeframe?
21:21 <@agaffney> what are some queries that would typically bring down the existing setup?
21:21 <@Kugelfang> robbat2: is jforman going to administrate it any further?
21:21 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v spb] by kingtaco|laptop
21:21 <@Kugelfang> robbat2: just informational :-)
21:21 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I'd think so
21:21 <@kloeri> agaffney: "all kernel"
21:21 <@robbat2> agaffney, 'ALL kernel' and 'ALL gentoo'
21:21 <@kingtaco|laptop> all e
21:21 <@Flameeyes> "ALL R"
21:21 <@robbat2> Flameeyes, I don't have a timeframe
21:21 <@kloeri> agaffney: queries returning insane amounts of results generally
21:21 <@Kugelfang> querying ALL kernel
21:21 <@Kugelfang> right now
21:22  * Flameeyes querying ALL R
21:22 <@kingtaco|laptop> Flameeyes, depends on how well the test goes
21:22 <@robbat2> ALL kernel is 36k results
21:22 <@kingtaco|laptop> no bugs?  we'll consider moving after a couple weeks of testing
21:22 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, supposed so, but a question had to be done
21:22 <@kloeri> ALL R is some 146k results iirc
21:22 <@SpanKY> so who do i have to talk to in order to get bug regressions actually fixed
21:22 <@SpanKY> filing bugs in bugzilla doesnt work
21:22 <@Flameeyes> so a parallel ALL R and All amarok had the second return bugs with a decent timing
21:22 <@Kugelfang> ALL Kernel still hasn't finished :-P
21:23 <@SpanKY> i have no problem doing the work myself
21:23 <@robbat2> SpanKY, email me if you have a regression on bugstest
21:23 <@agaffney> I'm still waiting for a return on "ALL kernel" after 2-3 minutes
21:23 <@Flameeyes> uhm
21:23 <@Kugelfang> ah, mine just returend
21:23 <@Flameeyes> the results for ALL amarok are mixed with bugs that has nothing to do with amarok
21:23 <@SpanKY> robbat2: i'm talking user experience, not db load
21:23 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, it'll take ~5 minutes to start returning results
21:23 <@SpanKY> robbat2: things like default search values, css fixups, etc...
21:23 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: sure amarok isn't in a comment?
21:24 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, not sure, will check now
21:24 <@Flameeyes> yeah it's in comments
21:24 <@kloeri> ALL searches subject + comments
21:24 <@Flameeyes> is this a new thing?
21:24 <@robbat2> jforman has said he doesn't have much time at all, so I'm doing my best with all issues for bugstest at the moment
21:24 <@agaffney> ok, firefox is gobbling up memory like a mofo
21:24 <@kloeri> nope
21:24 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, used to check just subject
21:24 <@agaffney> so it must be trying to dispaly the results
21:24 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: use konqueror :-P
21:24 <@kloeri> agaffney: yeah, I pretty much killed my laptop yesterday with "ALL R" :)
21:25 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, oh yeah, it's some GB of html :)
21:25 <@agaffney> there we go
21:25 <@agaffney> 36k for ALL kernel
21:25 <@SpanKY> robbat2: i know jforman doesnt have time, but when i've asked to help, i havent gotten any response
21:25 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: the correct query is 'ALL dev-lang/R'
21:25 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, bugs.gentoo.org shows only for subjet, not comments
21:25 <@Flameeyes> [which is good
21:25 <@Flameeyes> because it asctually gives _decent_ results
21:25 <@Flameeyes> in comments we have useflags that will make such a search request pointless
21:25 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: no, I wanted ALL R because we we're trying to push bugstest as much as possible
21:25 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, so we're all good on bugs?
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21:25 <@robbat2> ok, so I should change the 'ALL' search to only search summaries
21:25 <@Flameeyes> ALL R returning data now
21:25 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: :-P
21:26 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, would be appreciated, yes
21:26 <@agaffney> robbat2: what's different about the bugstest setup?
21:26 <@robbat2> agaffney, dual database backend, and I've gotten the searching stuff totally parallized between the two databases
21:26 <@robbat2> one sec, i'll give you a cheesy diagram
21:27 <@Kugelfang> hmm, cheese
21:27 <@robbat2> Slave1 <--- (DB1 <--> DB2) --> Slave2
21:27 <@kingtaco|laptop> can we move this to the open discussion?
21:27 <@robbat2> sure
21:27 <@kingtaco|laptop> kk
21:27 <@agaffney> did we forget about QA?
21:28 <@Kugelfang> no
21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> that's next
21:28 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: that's comming now
21:28 <@SpanKY> i thought the last two items were pretty much open discussion
21:28 <@Kugelfang> spb: ping?
21:28 <@agaffney> ah
21:28 <@Flameeyes> qa issues, kloeri want to talk?
21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> spb, consider yourself poked
21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, pretty much
21:28 <@kloeri> yup, I'll give a quick update on QA and hopefully spb will be around to answer questions
21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, I'll -m in a minute
21:29 <@agaffney> robbat2: can I pick your brain about that setup in a little while?
21:29 <@robbat2> agaffney, yeah
21:29 <@robbat2> find me in -infra about it
21:29 <@kloeri> as soon as spb manage to free up some time he wants to start work on EAPI-0 and package manager specification documents
21:29 <@kloeri> that's the big stuff more or less
21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> when will he "have time"?
21:30 <@Kugelfang> i guess that means real life issues?
21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> having guidelines will help avoid a lot of the fighting that goes one
21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> *on
21:30 <@kloeri> smaller items includes working on implementing GLEP 48, doing more automated QA scans and going through all the QA team members and seeing who wants to do what etc.
21:31 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: he's busy with finishing university currently
21:31 <@Kugelfang> ah, i see
21:31 <@agaffney> school is overrated
21:31 <@Kugelfang> that surely has priorit y:-)
21:31 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: pfff
21:31 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, so I guess we will need to revisit again next month?
21:31 <@Kugelfang> probably
21:31 <@kloeri> as for when he'll have time I can't answer that
21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, any other info?
21:32 <@Kugelfang> is there anything to vote one? or can i get back to the birthday party upstairs? :-P
21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> just open discussion now I think
21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone have any other issues?
21:32 <@Kugelfang> coolies....
21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> before open floor?
21:32 <@Kugelfang> i certainly don't
21:32  * agaffney has an issue with the fact he wasn't invited to the birthday parts upstairs
21:32 <@agaffney> *party
21:32 <@Kugelfang> that was a quick thing
21:32 <@kloeri> I asked him who's going to work on EAPI-0 and PMS and he said QA would be in charge but that interested parties were free to submit docs, patches etc.
21:32 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: :-P
21:33 <@agaffney> Kugelfang: save me cake!
21:33 <@Kugelfang> ah, right, the location of preliminary EAPI-0:
21:33 <@Flameeyes> err sorry had problems with the ALL r results
21:33 <@kloeri> some paludis people are very interested and portage team and ferringb have expressed interest in helping as well
21:33 <@Kugelfang> svn.pioto.org
21:33 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight
21:33 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: that's something we need to figure out later I think
21:33 <@Kugelfang> svn:// works, so people can do nice patches, too :-)
21:34 -!- dostrow [n=dostrow@gentoo/developer/dostrow] has joined #gentoo-council
21:34 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: as it is svn, it can easily be migrated later on
21:34 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [-m] by kingtaco|laptop
21:34 <@kloeri> there's some !gentoo devs that could be quite valuable helping with the EAPI / PSM documentation but that raises the whole debate about things not being on gentoo infra again
21:34 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight, open floor
21:34 <@Kugelfang> http://svn.pioto.org/viewvc/paludis/scratch/eapispec/
21:34 <@kloeri> maybe we could use overlays.g.o for that
21:34 -!- musikc [n=musikc@mail.erwinpenland.com] has joined #gentoo-council
21:34 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [-o agaffney] by agaffney
21:34 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, I think we addressed that, for it to be "official" it has to be on gentoo hardware
21:35 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: indeed
21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: or we can use this until it has at least a 'draft' status, no?
21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: besides, this is very open
21:35 <@kingtaco|laptop> devmanual set prescedence
21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: pioto has his thumb on the repo
21:35 <@kloeri> overlays.g.o could probably be a middle ground as it's official gentoo infra and "outsiders" can get access as well
21:35 -!- _masterdriverz_ [n=MasterDr@cpc3-bexl4-0-0-cust498.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #gentoo-council
21:36 <@kloeri> anyway, I don't believe documentation is very far at all atm so it's probably something we need to get back to later when something materializes
21:36 -!- ferringb [n=bharring@c-24-21-135-117.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #gentoo-council
21:37 <@Kugelfang> so we can open the floor now?
21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> I did
21:37 <@Kugelfang> ah, up there
21:37 <@Kugelfang> *nod*
21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> people, speak now or wait another month!
21:37 < ferringb> boobies!
21:37 <@Kugelfang> ...
21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> heh
21:37 < ferringb> :)
21:37 <@Flameeyes> if wolf31o2 was here I would ask about the icons but .. next month :P
21:38 <@robbat2> anybody in the audience have questions etc?
21:39 <@robbat2> or can we all pack up and go home?
21:39 < tove> robbat2: the tree signing?
21:39 <@robbat2> tove: I haven't touched for the last few weeks while working on anoncvs and bugstest, sorry
21:40 < nightmorph|amd64> (from the floor) so, if i understand it correctly, the posted workarounds for the reply-to cruft will be added to the devmanual?
21:40 <@Flameeyes> the colour of the soft icecream machine?
21:41 <@Flameeyes> nightmorph|amd64, I'd rather say dev handbook than devmanual, as it's not a "technical" view
21:41 <@kingtaco|laptop> nightmorph|amd64, it will be documented
21:41 < nightmorph|amd64> ah yes, i meant the handbook
21:41 < ferringb> sidenote related to eapi=0...
21:41 < nightmorph|amd64> fantabulous! i knew i voted for the council for this reason :)
21:41 < ferringb> bug 152127
21:41 <@kloeri> yes, I stupidly volunteered to document that :)
21:41 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, someone else already did the work, you just gotta xml it and commit
21:42 <+agaffney> Flameeyes: what icons?
21:42 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: yeah, I'm not entirely crazy after all :)
21:43 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, on the site
21:43 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, we have some icons that are not exactly legal (modified versions of windows's software, lgpl-licensed icons not respecting it ...
21:44 <+agaffney> ah
21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> I think neysx is trying to fix the icons
21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> he posted a bug for a change to the xmlcheck script on cvs
21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, maybe you can do that
21:45 <@Kugelfang> i have no clue about cvs
21:45 <@Kugelfang> i'm an svn man
21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok
21:45 <@Kugelfang> and i think pylon already did it
21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> well someone will do it
21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> and I bet neysx will clean it up
21:45 <@Kugelfang> 19:36 <+CIA-1> pylon * CVSROOT/checkxml.pl: Added ico to the allowed filetypes; bug #154544.
21:45 <@Kugelfang> 19:36 < jeeves> CIA-1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/154544 nor, P2, All, neysx@gentoo.org->infra-bugs@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, Please add *.ico to the list of allowed file types
21:45 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, the quick fix is to remove them for now, but the issue is still open since last year
21:46  * Kugelfang goes to the party now
21:46 <@Kugelfang> see you guys
21:46 <@Flameeyes> night danny
21:46 <@kingtaco|laptop> see ya danny
21:46 <@Flameeyes> closing here then, who's going to put log and summary?
21:46 <@kloeri> later Kugelfang 
21:46 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for meeting on 20060914

[Dan Meltzer]

On 11/9/06, Bryan Østergaard <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Hi all, here's the complete log from the Council Meeting + a short
> summary.
>
> Summary:
> All council members was present (Andrew Gaffney (agaffney) proxied for
> Chris Gianello (wolf31o2)).
>
> Agenda was:
> 1. Reply-to-list
> 2. SPF
> 3. QA update / plans
> 4. Bugzilla status
>
> 1. Council decided that there were no need to change mailinglist behaviour
> regarding reply-to-list. Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) mentioned that a
> replytolist plugin for thunderbird-2 had just been committed the day
> before. Bryan will update the handbook to include information on
> procmail recipes to change reply-to behaviour on an individual basis.
> Bug 154595 tracks progress of this update.

Just out of curiosity (as it doesn't affect me anyways)  is there any
reason that some lists display different behavior? it would seem to me
it would make more sense from a maintaince point of view if there was
some standard.

>
> 2. Council decided that Infra needs to document use of third party smtp
> servers and usage of dev.gentoo.org SMTP server. Bug 154594 tracks this
> issue.
>
> 3. Bryan Østergaard gave a short update on QA team on behalf of Stephen
> Bennett (spb). Plans currently include:
> - Documenting EAPI-0 and PMS (Package Manager Standard)
> - Doing more automated QA checks.
> - Implementing GLEP 48 (see http://glep.gentoo.org/glep-0048.html)
> - Working out what each QA team member wants to work on.
>
> 4. Robin Johnson (robbat2) gave a quick status update on bugzilla. The
> load-balanced mysql is working very well now but there's still some
> webserver tuning that needs to be done. There's no timeframe as such as
> there might still be unexpected issues cropping up.
>
> Open floor discussion:
> Torsten Veller asked if there was any news on portage tree signing.
> Robin Johnson said there was no news as he'd spend all his time working
> on new bugzilla setup and anonymous cvs.
>
> Regards,
> Bryan Østergaard
>
>
>

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