[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Mike Frysinger]

This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically the
2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
Gentoo dev list to see.

Keep in mind that every *re*submission to the council for review must
first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before
being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the
meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at
least 14 days before the meeting itself.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 05:51 +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically the
> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
> 
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
> Gentoo dev list to see.
> 
> Keep in mind that every *re*submission to the council for review must
> first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before
> being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the
> meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at
> least 14 days before the meeting itself.
> 
> For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

I have a proposal for an agenda item.

I would like the council to decide on the removal of the requirement
that everything must come as an agenda item so they can be allowed to
make decisions in a timely manner, if necessary.  Of course, with my
proposal, the council can always decide themselves that something is not
an emergency, and postpone decision, or even require that the item go
for discussion before a decision is made, but the current agenda
requirement blocks the ability for quick decisions.

Thanks,

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Friday 01 September 2006 15:53, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> I have a proposal for an agenda item.
>
> I would like the council to decide on the removal of the requirement
> that everything must come as an agenda item so they can be allowed to
> make decisions in a timely manner, if necessary.  Of course, with my
> proposal, the council can always decide themselves that something is not
> an emergency, and postpone decision, or even require that the item go
> for discussion before a decision is made, but the current agenda
> requirement blocks the ability for quick decisions.

I would like to second this. I particularly find the notification 7 days 
before setting the agenda troublesome. It basically means that decisions can 
only be made half a month after the discussion has finished on -dev.

Paul

-- 
Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 04:45:04PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> I would like to second this. I particularly find the notification 7 days 
> before setting the agenda troublesome. It basically means that decisions can 
> only be made half a month after the discussion has finished on -dev.

As far i understand, this was introduced after some GLEP "slipped
through" and some stuff had not properly been discussed and figured
out, so i think this policy makes sense for GLEPs - you can even put
it on the agenda 7 days before the meeting and still discuss it. If
things have been sorted out in the meanwhile (and probably just
because it's been brought to everyone's attention), the council still
can decide about it.

As for making quick decisions, i don't think that policy should affect
them, in theory the council can gather for an emergency meeting
whenever they want and decide quickly (as long it's not a GLEP that
hasn't been properly discussed ;-) )

However i guess that the policy could be made a bit more clear.

cheers,
	Wernfried

-- 
Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org
Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org
IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Daniel Ostrow]

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On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 17:08 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 05:51:07AM +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically the
> > 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
> Is this the new council for which the voting should have just ended, or
> the old council?

Polls for the council close at 00:00 UTC September 11th, they didn't
open on Aug 1st. As such it will be three days after the polls close so
it should be the inaugural meeting of the new council.

--Dan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 05:51:07AM +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically the
> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
Is this the new council for which the voting should have just ended, or
the old council?

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
E-Mail     : robbat2@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP   : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED  F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Alec Warner]

Daniel Ostrow wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 17:08 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 05:51:07AM +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically the
>>> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
>>> irc.freenode.net) !
>> Is this the new council for which the voting should have just ended, or
>> the old council?
> 
> Polls for the council close at 00:00 UTC September 11th, they didn't
> open on Aug 1st. As such it will be three days after the polls close so
> it should be the inaugural meeting of the new council.
> 
> --Dan

I wish to add the agenda item, "what kind of QA does gentoo need, and
what kind of QA will gentoo support."

Our current QA team doesn't do much; the tools are lacking in many areas.

Does the community as a whole really care about all these (minor)
violations?  Can I as a member of QA just go through and fix them?
Along with this somewhat is package "ownership."  I agree that the
maintainer has final say in many areas related to their package (or set
of packages) but breaking QA perhaps shouldn't be one of them; or should
it?  Does our current QA policy fail in light of portage's failings (see
glep 42, requests for post_src_depend() action where we detect problems
in use flags prior to merging, USE/SLOT deps ).  Should our QA policy
evolve?

I also wish to bring up the games team in this regard as generally the
QA team ignores anything games-*.  This comment is not meant to bash the
games team (imho they do an utterly awesome job on almost all of their
stuff); they just happen to violate qa rules doing so ;P

This agenda point is not a "hard point" more-so I seek the council's
recommendation on what you (being the elected council) think Gentoo
needs as far as QA.  Last year Halcy0n petitioned for power for the QA
team; it was quite like a ball crushing power (fix it or we will) and it
seemed to have all kinds of frictional issues.  This being a global
issue I would like to hear thoughts on how this could be done better; or
we can abandon the idea of a QA team.


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Ryan Hill]

Alec Warner wrote:
> needs as far as QA.  Last year Halcy0n petitioned for power for the QA
> team; it was quite like a ball crushing power (fix it or we will) and it
> seemed to have all kinds of frictional issues.  This being a global
> issue I would like to hear thoughts on how this could be done better; or
> we can abandon the idea of a QA team.

I don't recall that it was that heavy handed at all.  It said that the 
QA team would work with maintainers to improve the quality of the tree, 
and only in *emergency* situations would be empowered to take necessary 
measures to address the issue.  The major point of contention seemed to 
concern the situation where QA and maintainers strongly disagreed on 
whether or not a QA problem actually exists and were unable to come to a 
resolution between themselves.  In that case, the issue would be 
appealed to the council for judgement.  Now it also stated that the QA 
team had veto power over the maintainer until the council can come to a 
decision.  I personally don't agree with this at all, except in the case 
of security related issues.  Even so, I think this falls more under the 
umbrella of the security team rather than QA.

I do believe the QA team should have the ability to make trivial changes 
to ebuilds (such as obvious typos and other minor issues), but all 
effort should probably be made to first discuss these issues with the 
maintainers themselves.  Veto power *needs* to be the absolute last 
resource, and should very rarely, if ever, be necessary.


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[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Mike Frysinger]

This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically
the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel
(#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
Gentoo dev list to see.

Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review
must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum)
before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days
before the meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be
notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/
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gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Mike Frysinger]

This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically
the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel
(#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
Gentoo dev list to see.

Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review
must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum)
before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days
before the meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be
notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Tom Wesley]

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On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:30:01AM +0000, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically
> the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel
> (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) !
> 
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
> Gentoo dev list to see.
> 
> Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review
> must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum)
> before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days
> before the meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be
> notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself.
> 
> For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

If i am not too late then I wish to request the council consider bug
216219 and all it implies.

Thanks,

-- 
tomaw


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for September

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 01:40 Tue 09 Sep     , Tom Wesley wrote:
> If i am not too late then I wish to request the council consider bug
> 216219 and all it implies.

We no longer hold extensive discussions during meetings, so we'll handle 
this on the gentoo-council mailing list. Basically the request is that 
we document our appeals process.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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