From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGWGQ-0004lE-5f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:38:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7P7bEcU015419; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:37:14 GMT Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7P7ZK1G002669 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:35:23 GMT Received: (qmail 64042 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 2006 07:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO procyon) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 07:35:19 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 150.101.122.233 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet From: Andrew Cowie To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org> References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EE135A.6010509@gentoo.org> <1156462089.19720.78.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uA1zc7w5CcnW5Eie1b91" Organization: Operational Dynamics Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:35:15 +1000 Message-Id: <1156491316.27536.12.camel@procyon.operationaldynamics.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Archives-Salt: 6360c499-71eb-4477-9a45-6f12ce7cb42c X-Archives-Hash: 8c07c5e7cfa550450613a1edd7e7db4f --=-uA1zc7w5CcnW5Eie1b91 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC > keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything > larger than a single project that you run into issues. As an aside, this has long been the fundamental structural problem in the open source movement. Within a given project, things generally find a way to get done, but when a problem lies between two projects (be they peers, one dependant on the other, whatever) then things often remain unresolved. Examples: * Desktop integration between GNOME and KDE and graphics performance & capability improvement; freedesktop.org was the result of efforts to try and bridge / fill in these gaps. * Apache and PHP arguing over who was to blame for a certain incompatibility over Apache2 causing crashes. httpd people said it was PHP's fault; PHP said it was Apache's problem. And this a case where Rasmus is a lead committer on both projects! This is actually the cutting edge area in the free software movement at the moment - trying to find a common ground for not just projects but constellations of projects and above them distros to collaborate.=20 [This is what Mark Shuttleworth claims as his focus and it is the titular role of launchpad to facilitate along these lines; remains to be seen whether any other distros or large projects will actually start using it. Viz also the mad activity in third-generation distributed-version-control-system land] AfC Sydney --=20 Andrew Frederick Cowie Managing Director Operational Dynamics Consulting Pty Ltd http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Management Consultants specializing in strategy, organizational architecture, procedures to survive change, and performance hardening for the people and systems behind the mission critical enterprise. Worldwide: Sydney +61 2 9977 6866 New York +1 646 472 5054 Toronto +1 416 848 6072 London +44 207 1019201 --=-uA1zc7w5CcnW5Eie1b91 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE7qgzLVETDFf2570RArEvAJ9SVawmdMKsskbwmuiHgBkerWufOACff8W8 St9g8QPnd5x+pRudRXBJQeo= =ZV+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uA1zc7w5CcnW5Eie1b91-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list