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From: Andrew Cowie <andrew@operationaldynamics.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:35:15 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1156491316.27536.12.camel@procyon.operationaldynamics.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org>

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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC
> keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything
> larger than a single project that you run into issues.

As an aside, this has long been the fundamental structural problem in
the open source movement. Within a given project, things generally find
a way to get done, but when a problem lies between two projects (be they
peers, one dependant on the other, whatever) then things often remain
unresolved.

Examples:

      * Desktop integration between GNOME and KDE and graphics
        performance & capability improvement; freedesktop.org was the
        result of efforts to try and bridge / fill in these gaps.

      * Apache and PHP arguing over who was to blame for a certain
        incompatibility over Apache2 causing crashes. httpd people said
        it was PHP's fault; PHP said it was Apache's problem. And this a
        case where Rasmus is a lead committer on both projects!

This is actually the cutting edge area in the free software movement at
the moment - trying to find a common ground for not just projects but
constellations of projects and above them distros to collaborate. 

[This is what Mark Shuttleworth claims as his focus and it is the
titular role of launchpad to facilitate along these lines; remains to be
seen whether any other distros or large projects will actually start
using it. Viz also the mad activity in third-generation
distributed-version-control-system land]

AfC
Sydney


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  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-25  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-24  0:17 [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  2:19 ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-24  3:56   ` Joshua Jackson
2006-08-24  6:47 ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24  7:52   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  8:29     ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24 20:28       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  6:50 ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-24  7:54   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  8:26     ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 20:23       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-24 12:13     ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-08-24 13:35     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24  8:50 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-24 10:39   ` Kevin F. Quinn
2006-08-24 15:13   ` Ferris McCormick
2006-08-24 21:00   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24 23:28     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25  5:36       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25  7:35         ` Andrew Cowie [this message]
2006-08-25 15:45         ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25 15:55           ` Mike Doty
2006-08-25 16:08             ` Luca Barbato
2006-08-25 16:25           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 16:35             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-25 17:27               ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 18:19                 ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-26  3:53                   ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 13:40                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-25 18:39                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-26  2:41           ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25 21:48         ` Alec Warner
2006-08-26  0:43           ` Alec Warner
2006-08-25 19:41     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-25 19:52       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-26 20:55       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-25 19:45     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-24 21:26   ` Michael Cummings
2006-08-24 21:37     ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-25 15:25       ` Mike Bonar
2006-08-24 13:42 ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 13:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 14:11     ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 14:32       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 14:58         ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 16:53           ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-08-24 18:01             ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 18:15               ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-08-24 20:09                 ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 20:46                   ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-08-24 21:51                     ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 22:11                       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-26 20:59           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-24 15:17         ` Luca Longinotti
2006-08-24 17:13       ` Thierry Carrez
2006-08-24 17:40         ` Mike Doty
2006-08-24 18:03           ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24 18:14             ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 18:27               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 19:31               ` Homer Parker
2006-08-24 19:53                 ` Lance Albertson
     [not found]               ` <44EDF61C.40303@gentoo.org>
2006-08-24 19:45                 ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-24 18:55           ` Alec Warner
2006-08-24 19:55             ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 17:42         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 13:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 22:29   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25  5:38     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25 17:13     ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 18:35       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25 19:49         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-08-26 10:17         ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 13:01           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-08-26 14:06             ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-08-24 14:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dominique Michel
2006-08-26 15:09 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-27 11:28 ` Roy Bamford
2006-08-27 21:37   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-08-28 10:20     ` Roy Bamford
2006-09-02  7:55 ` Wiktor Wandachowicz
2006-09-03  3:11   ` Richard Fish
2006-09-03  7:15     ` Wiktor Wandachowicz
2006-09-03 19:29       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-09-04 22:32         ` Richard Fish
2006-09-03 10:25     ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-09-04 22:06       ` Richard Fish

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