From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGMwW-0006h3-Ts for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:40:53 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7OLdxKp008727; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:39:59 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7OLc22X032153 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:38:02 GMT Received: from edge.zivexott.local (unknown [63.205.234.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8167D64791 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet From: Daniel Ostrow To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <44EE1994.5080906@gentoo.org> References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EE1994.5080906@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-zZBJcdI9dIwTi/4P1z17" Organization: The Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:37:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1156455440.7064.28.camel@edge> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Archives-Salt: 8ade1111-7b3f-454f-a046-2eb0ba5c1450 X-Archives-Hash: b4ef8afe129558ff72dd85909ebd23e7 --=-zZBJcdI9dIwTi/4P1z17 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 17:26 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Stuart Herbert wrote: > > We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I > > joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where > > each package is as close to what $UPSTREAM intended it to be as > > possible. We're not trying to take $UPSTREAM packages and innovate > > with them - we're here to do a first class job of packaging them up. >=20 > Um, that's a mission statement, not a vision. A vision is a series of > goals for a project, like "my vision is that we will produce knoppix > like catalyst+template releases for myth, firewalls-on-a-disk, etc by > the 2007.0 release." a mission statement is "we'll make the best from > source distro ever." i.e, mission statements never change because they > are just an overarching definition of a project, not the vision or goal > it might be working towards at the moment. >=20 > somebody shoot me, my job in middle management is finally getting to me. Exactly... Above and beyond that is the next step...once you have a vision...ok so what do we need to do to further the vision, do we need more devs doing X, do we need hardware Y, do we need an Ice Cream machine... Leadership is way more then just shouting a vision out to the world and expecting people to hop to it...its about helping facilitate that visions completion, keeping yourself involved so those working on it feel involved themselves...leadership is just as much a community building exercise as any of the rest of it. --Dan --=-zZBJcdI9dIwTi/4P1z17 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE7hwQsb0gXCN8LgURAqeKAKCCJobofMIP5L+p/48n80qokg7YcgCgkAgA wTLReNlgCwlWVnYYxluuN7g= =pkAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-zZBJcdI9dIwTi/4P1z17-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list