From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G8iyc-0004TN-Kg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:35:27 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k73JYaq2013653; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:34:36 GMT Received: from castor.warande.net (castor.sshunet.nl [145.97.192.41]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k73JWZf9026194 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:32:35 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by castor.warande.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D98857C019 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from castor.warande.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (castor [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06972-06 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rivendell (216pc222.sshunet.nl [145.97.222.216]) by castor.warande.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations From: foser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20060801160531.67a8f654@c1358217.kevquinn.com> References: <1154366720.17142.126.camel@rivendell> <20060801160531.67a8f654@c1358217.kevquinn.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:32:34 +0200 Message-Id: <1154633554.16246.28.camel@rivendell> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at sshunet.nl X-Archives-Salt: 9d85b5f7-dc33-43cf-abb6-152312ae4cda X-Archives-Hash: f5f1c95633f85edd232b8a8eec6b9154 On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:05 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > 2. [...] Therefore I do not believe that QA for a tree that is as > > extensive as Sunrise done by a few 'official' developers amounts to > > much real world quality. > > I would expect that over time, the Sunrise developers will learn more > and more how to write quality ebuilds (as hopefully do we all). Since > they'll be working with a diverse set of stuff, they could become better > than most devs at this. Remember that since they have custody of the > stuff in the Sunrise overlay, they will be hit with whatever issues > arise from their work. I expect the developers involved to be able to write quality ebuilds right now, otherwise they shouldn't be developers. However, I don't expect them to write quality ebuilds for everything in the tree, there are a lot of packages that need specific knowledge to make a correct ebuild. That is why we got the herd system, that is why we have a couple of hundred ebuilders who all have their own specific parts of the tree to take care of. > What it does give you is a track record you can look through - in much > the same way you might have watched what someone did on bugzilla or > IRC. Indeed I'd suggest that the history in Sunrise SVN would be > useful to indicate whether someone is learning how to write ebuilds > properly, or just continues to make the same errors. Ebuilding is such a small part of the job I wouldn't seriously take it into account, to me much more important is the bughandling skills of a potential developer. Is he/she able to distill the right information from a report, ask for the right additional info and come to a practical and neat solution ? - Marinus -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list