Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

[Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org>]

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On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +0000, Alec Warner wrote:
> > No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than
> > the one demonstrated fex. in
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
> > flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers we've
> > received before) and that have been declined for various strange reasons.
> 
> Linking to a bug where you make crazed comments about how bugs isn't
> fixed!!!!1111oneone and that dammit someone should do something
> now!!!1111 doesn't really help your case.
> 
> I bet if I was infra I'd be wondering what my options were since:
> 
> bugs is a pretty critical part of developing; AND
yes
> you can't just host it anywhere; AND
it's not _that_ much hardware (and bandwidth) needed
> the hardware needed for it to perform is expensive; AND
for a single person yes. For a sponsor (or a group of sponsors) it may
be ok

> they did not know what the problem was at first
And even there it took some heavy prodding to get people to look at the problem.

After about half a year of waiting, with people we would consider
reliable offering pretty much everything from hosting to hardware, it's
hard to listen to the "be patient" mantra without thinking "omgwtfbbq,
it is _still_ not fixed?". Especially since bugs is considered an
important part of our infrastructure.

> As in, you don't just grab the first dual proc system that was offered
> out of some guys basement to host bugs on.
Agreed, but I'd say a webhoster with >1000 machines should know what
they are doing.

>   You need a dedicated host
> who will stick around and provide good support should something go
> wrong.
Only experience can tell you how they will respond, and even reliable
sponsors could get axed if their managment changes. We have almost no
hardware in Europe, that's a huge untapped ressource ...

>   You need expensive hardware ( I believe we got a blade server
> with 3 blades in it, which is fscking expensive if you haven't priced
> one out before ).  So once again, chill out.  They are working on it.
Dude, you don't need blades for it. Any "normal" server will do, two for DB and one for web frontend.
That we got blades is really nice and sweet, but if you check the
traffic and throughput of bugzilla (and then double or triple that for
future growth) you should still be able to do it easily.

(Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)

Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
desktop box from last year. 

> And yes bugs is slow and yes it sucks, but bitching about it doesn't
> accomplish anything :x
It may cause discussion that may lead to accelerated problem solving :-)

hth,

Patrick
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