Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

[Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org>]

On 2006.07.31 12:01, Giacomo Cariello wrote:
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > Sunrise attempts to provide the next part of the school system  
> down. A school system should have a well defined syllabus, explicit
> educational targets and an objective evaluation system. If Gentoo is
> going to run a Gentoo School with courses for developers, that sounds
> cool (and may relieve some burden from the developers mentors).

Agreed.

> Probably its objectors just want the project to formalize its methods  
> before official launch.

Possibly.

> 
> In regard to the "rule of thumb" you suggest to verify average
> quality,
> I wouldn't consider a reliable way to assess quality. I suppose that
> part of responsibility of Gentoo towards their users consist in  
> "using caution" in their choices. Caution suggest that you cannot  
> suppose the long-term effects by measuring the current, limited,  
> 150-ebuilds version of this project.

You can only examine now, what exists now. The long term effects can be  
assessed by repeated examinations, much like holders of ISO 9000 (a  
quality standard) undergo to retain their accreditation.
Going off on a wild tangent for a moment perhaps sunrise and other  
overlays could be accredited by Gentoo using such a system of regular  
and surprise checks.

> Also, it's better to debate this path now, rather
> than wait until we realize Gentoo cannot handle at least minimal  
> safety of a 100000-ebuilds user-contributed overlay used by  
> hundreds/thousands of people and throw it in the dustbin with a "we  
> said that if it doesn't work, we kill it" quote.
This in not a realistic claim - look at the way the official portage  
tree has grown with time and that changes made to cope with that  
growth. Your statement implies that sunrise starts out badly, gets  
worse but nobody notices for a long time. That's simply not realistic.
Sunrise will evolve - like any other OSS project.

I would expect sunrise to spawn both devs and ebuilds and to see the  
more popular ebuilds moved into the official tree as the dev population  
can cope. That's not much different from the present process, where  
ebuilds are in b.g.o. However b.g.o doesn't interactively encourage  
would be devs.

> It would be a lack of respect towards the efforts of users that  
> contributed to it.
Yes it would and it won't happen.

> 
> - Giacomo 'jwk' Cariello
> 
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Regards,

Roy Bamford

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