From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G7Q0u-0007cR-06 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:08:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6V57X8K000701; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:07:33 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V55UMr024708 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:05:30 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-147-189-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.147.189.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3016964152 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation) From: Seemant Kulleen To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20060731035316.74ba21ed@snowdrop.home> References: <200607301751.14157.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060730230757.5c17c0e9@snowdrop.home> <200607302219.56872.vapier@gentoo.org> <46059ce10607301928g2ddf667q326d930ffacb81b9@mail.gmail.com> <1154313772.11516.7.camel@localhost> <20060731035316.74ba21ed@snowdrop.home> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:05:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1154322337.11516.34.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b1d2d66f-e0cf-4a18-9cad-de285f9df75d X-Archives-Hash: e2788cd50ec1da2944595e90ae64d444 On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:53 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Partly, the part where it's run by people who have little clue about > ebuild development or QA, who will be taking code from people who have > little clue about ebuild development or QA and giving it to other > people who have little clue about ebuild development or QA. Can you back up the first part? The people running it, you claim, have little clue about ebuild dev and QA -- can you provide proof of this? It does, actually, fall on you, since you're making the accusation. > Partly, the way it's bypassing the normal herd system and allowing > unqualified developers to push code related to things they don't > understand. Where is this code being pushed to, exactly? > Partly, the way it's being pushed through without proper discussion and > without following the proper processes that're used to reduce the risk > of major screwup. This list has been full of discussion. And before the council meeting, there were many further calls for discussion and comment. The sunrise folks have been actually pretty patient about addressing the same concerns over and over and over. > Sunrise is the wrong solution to a misrepresented problem being run by > the wrong people. OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem? What is the correct way to represent it? After that please explain how you came to see sunrise as the wrong solution to that problem. You've claimed several times that you just try to stick to technical, so please put a stop to the "look, but it's *them* doing it, how can you trust those people?" bullshit already. -- Seemant Kulleen Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list