From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FywWa-0000gY-F9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k67K0T0I006866; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:00:29 GMT Received: from mail01.emarketsouth.com (mail01.emarketsouth.com [208.247.233.6]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k67JvpIx027054 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:57:52 GMT Received: (qmail 18377 invoked by uid 399); 7 Jul 2006 20:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO onyx) (64.192.54.4) by mail01.emarketsouth.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 20:02:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags) From: Ned Ludd To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20060707184036.GA3398@gentoo.org> References: <200607061252.33028@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <44AD6C8E.8060300@gentoo.org> <20060706201420.GA3845@gentoo.org> <200607061944.34690.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060707054615.GA3257@gentoo.org> <20060707160009.1c373aea@c1358217.kevquinn.com> <20060707165304.GA3255@gentoo.org> <1152294903.8423.20.camel@onyx> <20060707184036.GA3398@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:57:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1152302271.10102.35.camel@onyx> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k67K0T26006866 X-Archives-Salt: 81729296-9283-44ba-a5fa-cee5d54d3a73 X-Archives-Hash: 625ede769cead25d88300a2c0992dc33 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:40 +0200, Harald van D=C4=B3k wrote: > On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 01:55:03PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > > Keep pushing this and the only thing you will end up with is the=20 > > vanilla flag being removed all together.. >=20 > Is that a threat? If not, is there a reason behind this? Yes.. When users or devs complain non stop when they=20 don't understand something it leaves us with a few choices. 1) put up with people not having a clue. 2) remove the option so they can't bitch about it. Option #1 is not fun as it pushes the hand on #2 > > You want a pure 100%=20 > > vanilla(POS) non working toolchain then go download it and=20 > > compile it yourself. You will soon see why things exist the way=20 > > they do.. >=20 > If you mean modifying the build system to actually work properly, then = I > have no problem with that. USE=3Dvanilla refers to runtime behaviour, n= ot > the build system. (See use.desc.) Specifically, if patches are applied > that make sure GCC compiles, and those patches make sure GCC compiles t= o > the same program intended by the GCC devs at that release, those patche= s > are appropriate, IMO. None of the GCC patches I have problems with are > of this nature. >=20 > If you mean vanilla GCC + build fixes is unusable, then I'd appreciate > an explanation, because as far as I know, it can work just fine as a > system compiler, and plenty of people, at some times myself included, > use it as one. You use the Gentoo modified one. Regardless of what USE=3D flags you have enabled you are still getting Gentoo behaviors. Think vanilla-sources are pure? They are not.=20 They get patched as well with the minimal amount of patches required. --=20 Ned Ludd Gentoo Linux --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list