From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FxaXU-0001bU-5N for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:21:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k642JOqc022180; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:19:24 GMT Received: from continental.nick125.com (dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.220.3]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k642GH4S027004 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:16:18 GMT Received: by continental.nick125.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AB993C8C052; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Virtualization Herd From: Nick Devito To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1151975355.21600.12.camel@athena.fprintf.net> References: <1151948992.29593.23.camel@continental.nick125.com> <200607032148.11731.hollow@gentoo.org> <1151956582.29593.25.camel@continental.nick125.com> <200607032228.37612.hollow@gentoo.org> <1151975355.21600.12.camel@athena.fprintf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:15:22 -0600 Message-Id: <1151979322.29593.37.camel@continental.nick125.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k642GH4S027004 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k642JOsS022180 X-Archives-Salt: 2ff52949-29c3-4fc1-9a8b-66ce9f61ed67 X-Archives-Hash: b3e329eb5528f4af40121e4d31e65c77 Generating root filesystems for UML and Xen are basically the same process. I've heard of domi, but, bleh, I never could get it to work. I usually just make my images in chroot, and that usually works well. But, since the images are *basically* the same, that means it would be possible to use the jailtime images, unless you are running on a 64-bit arch. Then, in that case, least with gentoo, running a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland doesn't work for long (first glibc (re)compile, and the whole thing borks out). On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 21:09 -0400, Daniel Gryniewicz wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 22:28 +0200, Benedikt B=F6hm wrote: > > On Monday 03 July 2006 21:56, Nick Devito wrote: > > > Okay, in that case, extend the vserver herd to include a larger ran= ge of > > > virtualization stuff, including Xen, Bochs, and so on. It just seem= s > > > more fitting to group those packages together. > >=20 > > not really, bochs, qemu and vmware is emulation, merely used in virtu= alization=20 > > environments > >=20 > > uml and xen do run with VMMs and don't share anything with=20 > > OpenVZ/Linux-VServer > >=20 > > uml and xen could be integrated into the VPS project (with a differen= t herd)=20 > > but i don't know what their maintainers are thinking about this >=20 > UML is not complicated or hard to maintain. I'm fairly happy > maintaining it with the help of the kernel herd, and (being a linux > kernel port) I think it really belongs in kernel, not in virtualization > or vmm or vserver, or whatever. >=20 > Maybe if there were some projects for full virtual server setups that > could use xen or uml or vmware or ... as it's underlying hosting > service, that could be useful, but just for maintenance, I don't think > it's really necessary. >=20 > I'm open to arguments in favor of such a project, tho, if people have > real plans. Certainly, an easier way to generate and maintain root > filesystems for UML would be nice. >=20 > Daniel --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list