From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FpCmN-000850-JA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:08 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5ANIUPW017521; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:18:30 GMT Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMxLCI017289 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:59:25 GMT Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fp1ju-0002jk-6m for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:34:50 +0100 Received: from [80.235.134.226] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fp1jt-00014T-KD for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:34:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item From: Christel Dahlskjaer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200606101027.26418.george@gentoo.org> References: <1149906516.4234.91.camel@gaspode> <200606101027.26418.george@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-N1MId1nc3H0PzHg39TTb" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:34:02 +0100 Message-Id: <1149942842.9414.56.camel@gaspode> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 X-Archives-Salt: f5809c9b-a430-4365-9f0c-05b336e954d7 X-Archives-Hash: 81bed742d06856e14a32d998345c563f --=-N1MId1nc3H0PzHg39TTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 10:27 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: > =E1=E3=D1=DE=E2=D0, 10. =E7=D5=E0=D2=D5=DD=EC 2006 04:28, Christel Dahlsk= jaer =B2=D8 =DD=D0=DF=D8=E1=D0=DB=D8: > > I would like to ask that the Council discuss the current state and > > future of the GWN at their next meeting. > Hah? What has concil to do with this? Is it going to mandate "GWN be bett= er"=20 > and it magically turns into some other thing? Why do you think there is=20 > malicious intent here at all? I was hoping the council, whom I understand to be built up of people who genuinely care for Gentoo, would look at whether there was any ways of helping the GWN become better. Say, look at alternative ways of recruiting/ attracting contributors. It may have been the wrong place to bring it up, but its the place that was suggested to me when I asked people who have been around a lot longer than I have. > [skipping the listing] > All these problems can be explained very simply - a lack of manpower. As = I=20 > understand, GWN now is a one-man endeavour and Ulrich was pointing this o= ut=20 > himself and literally yelling for help! Many many times! Over approx last= 6=20 > month or so.. As Ulrich doesn't reply to my e-mails, I haven't had a chance to discuss with him, I have, however, spoken to Patrick at great length and I understand that the GWN finds it difficult to recruit, or even attract contributors. And I agree, the main problem appears to be manpower, which is why I am hoping that by creating some discussion people may come up with new / different ways of attracting people to the GWN.=20 > Do we want a more reliable and representative GWN? Of course! > How we can get there? Well, stand up and help! Involving council is not g= oing=20 > to do anything besides starting yet another pointless burocratic endeavor= .=20 > Well, I suspect it won't do even that - I am pretty sure council is going= to=20 > just throw out this "claim" even if you officially start it. They can of=20 > course mandate some more action, but what would be the point? If there ar= e no=20 > people willing to stand up, then who will listen to it? If the council chooses to throw it aside and not look at ways of helping the GWN then well, that sucks. But atleast I tried.=20 > So, to conclude this thing. The only way GWN is going to improve, is if s= ome=20 > more people will "join the ranks" and start writing/editing GWN entries. = I'd=20 > say a team of 3 people is usually sufficient, but we need more like 7 so = that=20 > three are "available" for more than a first month :) (this is based on my= =20 > experience with organazing Russian transation team in its early days), pl= us a=20 > steady stream of at least one new dev joining/two month, to compensate fo= r=20 > people droppig out. This should also have an effect of draft GWN publishe= d at=20 > least a day in advance, instead of a few hours, so that the rest of us wi= ll=20 > be able (and will ;)) take a look at it and make corrections.. I agree with the above, and as stated before, I am hoping that the Council, or hell, just discussion on -dev may result in someone jumping up and saying "I have an idea, why don't you..." or "Have you tried.." as what would be great is if people could come up with ideas and ways of attracting people.=20 --=-N1MId1nc3H0PzHg39TTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEirw60WARHgC5cN0RApgbAJ4juRVsw9CLZMjuNJqGOpBYjrkDFgCggLvC Cw/ZVjspbIoJ4C12BVbcEtE= =of87 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-N1MId1nc3H0PzHg39TTb-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list