From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FgMlW-0004C0-7d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4HEA2xs001236; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:10:02 GMT Received: from smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HE0jEm024329 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:00:45 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id k4HE0m4x023662 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:48 -0400 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 17 May 2006 09:58:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20060516232253.2c589768@localhost> References: <20060516161549.442b4d8a@localhost> <446A1B5D.8040402@gentoo.org> <200605162105.52805.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <20060516231453.171002b9@epia.jeroenr-c2.orkz.net> <20060516232253.2c589768@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-SDZQ4bnVAskPWjz+g0Ap" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:58:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1147874321.16876.13.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Archives-Salt: 80a675da-738e-4ce6-9e24-e216011740e1 X-Archives-Hash: 075c968e150a242bb6e9bdf457f39bbd --=-SDZQ4bnVAskPWjz+g0Ap Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 23:22 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: > > 1) Is bugsy ready for this, with appropriate categories in place? >=20 > Paludis-related bugs can be marked as invalid and the user directed to > Paludis' bug tracker on berlios.de. Alternatively, if our friendly > Bugzilla admins want to create categories I won't complain. I don't see > a need for it though. This is the exact reason why I would disagree with having this profile in the tree. It *is* going to cause more work for bug-wranglers, no matter how many places you put warnings and notices. If the profile is *not* in the portage tree, people won't file bugs in our bugzilla. If the profile *is* in the portage tree, then users will file bugs in our bugzilla. Anything that we add to the tree, we are expected to provide a reasonable level of support for maintaining. If there is a bug in Paludis, since the package *is* in our tree, users can file bugs in our bugzilla. Now, you might mark them as INVALID (which is wrong, btw) or UPSTREAM (which is right), but *somebody* has to take the time to look at the bug, determine that it is a Paludis bug, then do the work to UPSTREAM it. Proper usage of UPSTREAM means actually *filing* a bug upstream, not just pushing it off on the user, though this isn't used nearly as much in practice as it should be. A profile is an even more problematic affair, as it has an even longer-standing assumption that they are 100% supported by Gentoo. Paludis supports multiple repositories correctly, right? So why is it a big deal to provide the profiles in their own overlay/repository? I haven't heard a good reason why the profiles need to be in the portage tree. I'm not saying I am against it being added so much as I haven't heard a single compelling reason for doing it, and quite a few compelling reasons why *not* to do it, mainly support-related. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-SDZQ4bnVAskPWjz+g0Ap Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEaywRkT4lNIS36YERAq8xAJ9VG9MxJaGfzJMgUkt8cmR9WadSIACfYcfR Wo3lK4QYptCFyYl53v3Rpnc= =NvNf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-SDZQ4bnVAskPWjz+g0Ap-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list