From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FMUem-0004iN-Sd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:35:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k2NIY4n0020032; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:34:04 GMT Received: from smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2NITLh7002521 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:29:21 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k2NITa9J027935 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:29:36 -0500 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:25:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <623652d50603230840t13ba6520g@mail.gmail.com> References: <441F35B9.8000406@gentoo.org> <4421836A.8040000@gentoo.org> <1143123468.14434.5.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <1143127901.14434.33.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <623652d50603230840t13ba6520g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-xc7W9/Ju54b5rdBfJZm4" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:25:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1143138330.14434.54.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 X-Archives-Salt: b6a3c38d-b443-4b2c-860a-57f4fd94da3a X-Archives-Hash: 0da830e94c1b332eb40b11365caf086b --=-xc7W9/Ju54b5rdBfJZm4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 16:40 +0000, Chris Bainbridge wrote: > On 23/03/06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:41 +0000, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > > Your nightmare scenario seems unavoidable. Enabling per-overlay bug > > > tracking doesn't stop users posting bugs in bugzilla. It just causes > > > confusion for users, because they're not sure where to go. Normally, > > > it's not a problem - because the overlay contributors are normally th= e > > > owners of the real package. > > > > No, it does not stop them, but it sure will curb the number of users > > posting their bugs to the wrong place. Remember that only more advance= d > > users are the ones using overlays. We won't have Joe Sixpack using an > > overlay. Instead it'll be Bob Developer-to-be. >=20 > If the software a user wants is in an overlay, then the user will be > forced to install the overlay. It shouldn't be in the overlay, is I think the point many are trying to make. If the software is good enough for any of our users, it should be good enough for the tree. Yes, I know that this isn't a realistic stance, but we can't go around thinking that overlays won't negatively impact the tree, either. > Another thing that some people may not have considered - with many > developers using various permutations of overlays, how can you > guarantee that what is being checked into the main tree will build for > a normal user? In order to test that, a developer would have to > disable all overlays, unemerge everything provided by the overlays, > and then build and test with a plain "non-overlay" gentoo. That's a > lot of work; I doubt most developers are doing it. Developers should be doing testing in a chroot, really. I'll definitely agree with you that many do not. > There is a discussion on the forums at the moment along a similar > topic http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-443469.html - the vote > seems to indicate 58% of users are "not really happy with the way the > portage tree is handled". No. It indicates nothing except that 58% of the 80 people who filled out the poll are "not really happy with the way the portage tree is handled" which by my counts, isn't even a drop in the bucket of our number of users, making the statistic completely worthless. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-xc7W9/Ju54b5rdBfJZm4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEIugZkT4lNIS36YERAsG7AKCfkJt/MNxID+rX8RSBmETd1QGvyACgnBUC Vtbj2LKiLKAmWKrivtahxVU= =VC0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-xc7W9/Ju54b5rdBfJZm4-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list