From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuXtx-0006YZ-68 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:23:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k05GMwJD014886; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:22:58 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k05GKBOs026937 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:20:12 GMT Received: from dslb-084-063-048-227.pools.arcor-ip.net ([84.63.48.227] helo=[10.0.0.13]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1EuXqV-0006tO-IX for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:20:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <43BD3E5F.5060604@gentoo.org> References: <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060105035857.GH1967@mail.lieber.org> <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> <20060105043130.GI1967@mail.lieber.org> <1136465499.31358.20.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <20060105142253.GB24011@mail.lieber.org> <1136471710.14859.30.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <43BD3E5F.5060604@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Kb5wMlfWU57clcD8yX3T" Organization: Gentoo Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:20:09 +0100 Message-Id: <1136478009.20002.64.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Archives-Salt: bfda4395-0184-4adb-be8c-d7d2c1799859 X-Archives-Hash: e68a84801bcb51a25d75aca92e85659f --=-Kb5wMlfWU57clcD8yX3T Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 09:42 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: >=20 > > Really, I don't have any vision for Gentoo and I like it that way.=20 > Amazing words to come from Gentoo's release manager. We might as well > call our releases 'maintenance updates' then if thats the case. I guess we're at a point where many parts "just work" - I still have=20 some ideas where Gentoo could be improved, but if Chris doesn't and prefers to do some cat-herding I support him in his lack of vision ;-) After all, without some level of QA / "managment" all those visions will end in half-assed prototypes that almost work, but don't do much. The mundane tasks of keeping the wheels greased so that others can experiment around shouldn't be dismissed like that ... > I give up on this whole thread. I was hoping people would see past the > automatic "OMG!! We can't have a leader because it would restrict what I > can do!" mentality. But apparently that isn't the case here. You know as well as I do that any leader will only have a nominal position and most devs will just do what they want, bypassing such a person=20 whenever necessary. So for now we should focus on how to coordinate our goals - if we agree that a "leader" is needed, why not, but we should find out if that is even needed.=20 > Yes, we > didn't have the best experience with previous attempts at having some > kind of a leader. And automatically thinking that it'll turn into a > corporate bureaucratic mess is also incorrect. If you can open up your > mind and see past those automatic assumptions and see the value it would > be amazing. But it's already getting too bureaucratic ;-) It's getting more and more difficult to get things done, more and more=20 people / groups / herds to wait on to decide "obvious" things. > Anyways, as I said. I give up on this getting anywhere. That's the spirit. (just kidding, but it is kinda funny) I noticed that Gentoo seems to have this cycle where all 3 months or so the same theme comes up, causes a long discussion and then goes nowhere. And then stuff does happen - maybe it's not obvious, but we're not yet Debian ;-) For example - our baselayout supports UML and vServer (almost fully) native. Most of you won't see that, but to those that do it's something that's really nice.=20 wkr, Patrick --=20 Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move --=-Kb5wMlfWU57clcD8yX3T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDvUc5qER3hOUoZM4RAh5kAJ9HemhoCv5dJkYTYCRD06MvtRxSEQCeIv73 Yur7ZR2vl8nCpUp7Ja75BJQ= =P432 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Kb5wMlfWU57clcD8yX3T-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list