From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuUOD-0008HU-F6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:38:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k05CbsDV023442; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:37:56 GMT Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (66-191-187-123.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [66.191.187.123]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k05CZuQn020058 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:35:56 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D6E248022 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24291-03 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (unknown [192.168.1.50]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1620C248021 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:26:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060105035857.GH1967@mail.lieber.org> <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1136464569.31358.5.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org X-Archives-Salt: 3fda70d6-2a42-40ff-8f49-fe47256608ac X-Archives-Hash: bfd81177a69580a114758d2295c0698d On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 19:57 -0800, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:58:57AM +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:17:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni > > wrote: > > > Gentoo is not a distribution of Linux. Gentoo is not anything more than > > > a loosely bound group of developers all doing their own thing in a > > > collaborative and collective manner. You cannot use corporate thinking > > > to manage such a beast. We don't have mission statements. We don't have > > > road maps. We don't have quarterly earnings and market projections. We > > > simply exist. > > > > Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow > > decline. > > Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline? Pander to the "enterprise" crowd, of course. You know, take away all of the stuff that makes Gentoo what it is and slow down development with more committees, peer review boards, and meetings. We need to all take a step back and make sure that we're all a part of the "big picture" for Gentoo. You know, subscribe to the group think. Personally, I *love* the fact that the Hardened team has differing goals from Release Engineering. I also don't see how our goals could ever really be guided by a single vision. That doesn't keep us from working together to each accomplish our individual goals. > > > Do you want to be a part of a project that doesn't allow you to > > > implement some cool new feature because it might make Gentoo slightly > > > harder to use for some people and that's against the mission statement > > > so not allowed? > > > > Yes, absolutely. > > We need a mission statement first :) Our mission: To seek out new life and civilization, and to bring Gentoo to them, by force, if necessary. *grin* -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list