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( [68.144.157.61]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f18sm4774752qba.2006.01.02.10.33.17; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January From: Lares Moreau To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-bmicNkjeoHVODuiAH9ZT" Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:33:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 X-Archives-Salt: 5f550d04-b671-4259-acef-786d69513bcb X-Archives-Hash: 79bcf73160892c798b01e0a87aecaec6 --=-bmicNkjeoHVODuiAH9ZT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:14 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now. > Looking back at the last two years, what are the major > changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has > been great strides in improvement in some things, but I really wonder > about any ground breaking enhancements. >=20 > Since the council is the closest representation to a leader we have, I'd > like to ask if they can come up with some kind of global goals for 2006 > and beyond. You don't need to come up with goals by this meeting if you > haven't had time, but at least by the February meeting. Each group can > have their own goals, but we lack any overall binding goals or > direction. We've brought on numerous devs in the past year, and I have > yet to see a huge improvement in QA or anything else. Numbers aren't > everything. If anything, it makes it harder to maintain good QA. >=20 > There's a lot of people out there frustrated with Gentoo because of the > lack of QA and direction. Package foo changes a bunch of config > locations, package bar gets upgraded and causes a bunch of QA > nightmares. At least from an admin point of view, Gentoo has gotten > harder to maintain. Granted, thats a question for Gentoo itself. Who > exactly are we catering to? Power users? New users? We can't satisfy > everyone out there and need to draw a line of how much we'll devote to > keeping the new user from destroying their system, etc. >=20 > I'm not sure of the exact solution. Its just been pretty frustrating > lately hearing folks complain about this and that when I know that we > could do so much better. Maybe we're just happy with being where we're > at. I know I'm not. There's a niche that Gentoo fits really well and I > think we should focus on perfecting that niche instead of trying to be > better than distroA or distroB. >=20 > Ok, thats all my ranting for today. Hopefully I didn't start off the > next world flamewar :-) >=20 > Cheers- I have been involved with many Volunteer organisations over the last couple years. Not all computer related. Something Gentoo is notably missing is a Mission Statement. IMO a Mission statement acts as a beacon on the horizon, allowing us to have a gauge against which to measure our progress. In the process of discussing and generating this statement the issues mentioned above, can be ironed out and/or flamed about. -Lares --=20 Lares Moreau | LRU: 400755 http://counter.li.org lares/irc.freenode.net | Gentoo x86 Arch Tester | ::0 Alberta, Canada Public Key: 0D46BB6E @ subkeys.pgp.net | Encrypted Mail Preferred Key fingerprint =3D 0CA3 E40D F897 7709 3628 C5D4 7D94 483E 0D46 BB6E --=-bmicNkjeoHVODuiAH9ZT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDuXHrfZRIPg1Gu24RArELAJ9U4aWRSI47+PBgRnrAXUwv4l5sCQCgoXi/ 3jLf+pPFckerlkW4KJuA8xQ= =pRr5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-bmicNkjeoHVODuiAH9ZT-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list