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From: Lares Moreau <lares.moreau@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:33:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org>

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On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:14 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now.
> Looking back at the last two years, what are the major
> changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has
> been great strides in improvement in some things, but I really wonder
> about any ground breaking enhancements.
> 
> Since the council is the closest representation to a leader we have, I'd
> like to ask if they can come up with some kind of global goals for 2006
> and beyond. You don't need to come up with goals by this meeting if you
> haven't had time, but at least by the February meeting. Each group can
> have their own goals, but we lack any overall binding goals or
> direction. We've brought on numerous devs in the past year, and I have
> yet to see a huge improvement in QA or anything else. Numbers aren't
> everything. If anything, it makes it harder to maintain good QA.
> 
> There's a lot of people out there frustrated with Gentoo because of the
> lack of QA and direction. Package foo changes a bunch of config
> locations, package bar gets upgraded and causes a bunch of QA
> nightmares. At least from an admin point of view, Gentoo has gotten
> harder to maintain. Granted, thats a question for Gentoo itself. Who
> exactly are we catering to? Power users? New users? We can't satisfy
> everyone out there and need to draw a line of how much we'll devote to
> keeping the new user from destroying their system, etc.
> 
> I'm not sure of the exact solution. Its just been pretty frustrating
> lately hearing folks complain about this and that when I know that we
> could do so much better. Maybe we're just happy with being where we're
> at. I know I'm not. There's a niche that Gentoo fits really well and I
> think we should focus on perfecting that niche instead of trying to be
> better than distroA or distroB.
> 
> Ok, thats all my ranting for today. Hopefully I didn't start off the
> next world flamewar :-)
> 
> Cheers-

I have been involved with many Volunteer organisations over the last
couple years. Not all computer related.  Something Gentoo is notably
missing is a Mission Statement. IMO a Mission statement acts as a beacon
on the horizon, allowing us to have a gauge against which to measure our
progress. In the process of discussing and generating this statement the
issues mentioned above, can be ironed out and/or flamed about.

-Lares

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-02 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-01  5:30 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Mike Frysinger
2006-01-01 23:35 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-02  4:10   ` Kalin KOZHUHAROV
2006-01-03 16:05   ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-04 22:06     ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-04 22:37       ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-04 22:51         ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-06  5:15     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-01-02 18:14 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 18:33   ` Lares Moreau [this message]
2006-01-02 18:50     ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 19:03       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-02 19:28         ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-02 19:42           ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-03 17:19           ` Simon Stelling
2006-01-03 17:28             ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 17:50               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-03 18:09                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 18:17               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 19:56                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 23:15                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-05  3:58                 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05  3:57                   ` Greg KH
2006-01-05  4:31                     ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05  5:39                       ` Alec Warner
2006-01-05  6:00                         ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05  6:25                           ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-05 13:07                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 15:51                             ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 16:37                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 16:50                                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 17:39                                 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 13:31                           ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:33                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05  6:05                         ` Corey Shields
2006-01-05  6:13                           ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-01-05  6:49                           ` Brian Harring
2006-01-05 10:26                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 10:36                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 13:48                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 19:03                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-13 13:52                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 13:18                           ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:22                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 13:58                               ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:52                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05  6:31                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 12:09                         ` Tom Martin
2006-01-05 12:24                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 14:40                             ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-05 22:04                             ` Curtis Napier
2006-01-05 22:24                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 23:17                               ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-13 14:15                                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 12:51                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 14:22                         ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 14:35                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 14:59                             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 15:46                               ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-05 17:42                                 ` Michael Cummings
2006-01-05 19:30                                 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-06  1:09                                   ` Curtis Napier
2006-01-06  8:37                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06  9:59                                     ` Jon Portnoy
2006-01-06 18:46                                       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-06 11:23                                     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-06 15:15                                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06 15:26                                         ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-06 15:33                                         ` Grobian
2006-01-06 17:05                                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06 15:42                                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Jon Portnoy
2006-01-06 17:10                                         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-06 21:43                                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 15:42                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Lance Albertson
2006-01-05 16:20                               ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-05 16:33                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 17:03                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-13 14:28                                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-13 14:26                                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 16:37                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 17:38                               ` Michael Cummings
2006-01-05 14:47                           ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 20:09                       ` Aron Griffis
2006-01-13 14:32                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-06  1:03                       ` Greg KH
2006-01-06  4:23                         ` Philip Webb
2006-01-06  4:51                           ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-06 10:10                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-05 12:36                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 12:49                       ` Dan Meltzer
2006-01-05 13:07                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 14:09                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 12:51                       ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-05 12:32                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 18:23               ` Simon Stelling
2006-01-03 19:59                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 18:12             ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-05  4:33               ` Andrew Muraco
2006-01-05 12:56                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 18:42                   ` Greg KH
2006-01-12 18:57                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-01-02 19:33         ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 21:05           ` Chandler Carruth
2006-01-02 21:25             ` Andrew Muraco
2006-01-02 19:49         ` Grobian
2006-01-02 20:12           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-02 20:46             ` Grobian
2006-01-02 21:03               ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 21:52                 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-03  4:41                   ` Greg KH
2006-01-03 11:08                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-03 13:34                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 22:04                       ` Mark Loeser
2006-01-03 22:38                         ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-04  0:36                           ` Mark Loeser
2006-01-06 17:48                           ` Marius Mauch
2006-01-03  5:35   ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03  8:54   ` Thierry Carrez
2006-01-03 16:35   ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-03 20:09     ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-03 20:35       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 20:50         ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-03 22:18       ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-03 17:21   ` Sven Vermeulen
2006-01-03 17:41     ` Sven Vermeulen
2006-01-03 23:53     ` Moderated WIki -> ( Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January ) Alec Warner
2006-01-05 17:21   ` [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Aron Griffis
2006-01-05 16:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-08  0:15 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08  0:35   ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-08  2:56     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-08 13:40     ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 14:01       ` Brian Harring
2006-01-08 14:49         ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 14:18       ` Paweł Madej
2006-01-08 14:25       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-08  0:38   ` Brian Harring
2006-01-08 13:40     ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08  2:57   ` Stephen Bennett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-01  5:31 Mike Frysinger
2008-01-01  5:30 Mike Frysinger
2008-01-02 21:49 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-01-03 13:02 ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-03 23:54   ` Luca Barbato
2008-01-04  0:01     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 12:13   ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 14:25     ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-09 15:27       ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 17:11         ` Richard Freeman
2008-01-09 17:18           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 17:18           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 19:54       ` Chris Gianelloni
2008-01-09 21:10         ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-10  6:56         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 20:23     ` Peter Volkov
2009-01-01  5:30 Mike Frysinger
2010-01-01 13:31 Mike Frysinger
2010-01-01 23:05 ` Brian Harring
2010-01-02 18:21 ` Pacho Ramos
2010-01-07 22:59   ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-01-09 13:58     ` Pacho Ramos
2010-01-08  7:00   ` Mike Frysinger

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