From: Lares Moreau <lares.moreau@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:33:15 -0700 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:14 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now.
> Looking back at the last two years, what are the major
> changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has
> been great strides in improvement in some things, but I really wonder
> about any ground breaking enhancements.
>
> Since the council is the closest representation to a leader we have, I'd
> like to ask if they can come up with some kind of global goals for 2006
> and beyond. You don't need to come up with goals by this meeting if you
> haven't had time, but at least by the February meeting. Each group can
> have their own goals, but we lack any overall binding goals or
> direction. We've brought on numerous devs in the past year, and I have
> yet to see a huge improvement in QA or anything else. Numbers aren't
> everything. If anything, it makes it harder to maintain good QA.
>
> There's a lot of people out there frustrated with Gentoo because of the
> lack of QA and direction. Package foo changes a bunch of config
> locations, package bar gets upgraded and causes a bunch of QA
> nightmares. At least from an admin point of view, Gentoo has gotten
> harder to maintain. Granted, thats a question for Gentoo itself. Who
> exactly are we catering to? Power users? New users? We can't satisfy
> everyone out there and need to draw a line of how much we'll devote to
> keeping the new user from destroying their system, etc.
>
> I'm not sure of the exact solution. Its just been pretty frustrating
> lately hearing folks complain about this and that when I know that we
> could do so much better. Maybe we're just happy with being where we're
> at. I know I'm not. There's a niche that Gentoo fits really well and I
> think we should focus on perfecting that niche instead of trying to be
> better than distroA or distroB.
>
> Ok, thats all my ranting for today. Hopefully I didn't start off the
> next world flamewar :-)
>
> Cheers-
I have been involved with many Volunteer organisations over the last
couple years. Not all computer related. Something Gentoo is notably
missing is a Mission Statement. IMO a Mission statement acts as a beacon
on the horizon, allowing us to have a gauge against which to measure our
progress. In the process of discussing and generating this statement the
issues mentioned above, can be ironed out and/or flamed about.
-Lares
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Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-01 5:30 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Mike Frysinger
2006-01-01 23:35 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-02 4:10 ` Kalin KOZHUHAROV
2006-01-03 16:05 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-04 22:06 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-04 22:37 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-04 22:51 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-06 5:15 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-01-02 18:14 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 18:33 ` Lares Moreau [this message]
2006-01-02 18:50 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 19:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-02 19:28 ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-02 19:42 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-03 17:19 ` Simon Stelling
2006-01-03 17:28 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 17:50 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-03 18:09 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 18:17 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 19:56 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 23:15 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-05 3:58 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 3:57 ` Greg KH
2006-01-05 4:31 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 5:39 ` Alec Warner
2006-01-05 6:00 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 6:25 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-05 13:07 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 15:51 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 16:37 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 16:50 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 17:39 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 13:31 ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 6:05 ` Corey Shields
2006-01-05 6:13 ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-01-05 6:49 ` Brian Harring
2006-01-05 10:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 10:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 13:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 19:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-13 13:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 13:18 ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 13:58 ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-01-05 13:52 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 6:31 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 12:09 ` Tom Martin
2006-01-05 12:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 14:40 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-05 22:04 ` Curtis Napier
2006-01-05 22:24 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 23:17 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-13 14:15 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 12:51 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 14:22 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-05 14:35 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 14:59 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 15:46 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-05 17:42 ` Michael Cummings
2006-01-05 19:30 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-06 1:09 ` Curtis Napier
2006-01-06 8:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06 9:59 ` Jon Portnoy
2006-01-06 18:46 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-06 11:23 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-06 15:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06 15:26 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-01-06 15:33 ` Grobian
2006-01-06 17:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-06 15:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Jon Portnoy
2006-01-06 17:10 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-06 21:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-05 15:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Lance Albertson
2006-01-05 16:20 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-05 16:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 17:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-13 14:28 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-13 14:26 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-05 16:37 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 17:38 ` Michael Cummings
2006-01-05 14:47 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-05 20:09 ` Aron Griffis
2006-01-13 14:32 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-01-06 1:03 ` Greg KH
2006-01-06 4:23 ` Philip Webb
2006-01-06 4:51 ` Kurt Lieber
2006-01-06 10:10 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-05 12:36 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 12:49 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-01-05 13:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-05 14:09 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 12:51 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-01-05 12:32 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 18:23 ` Simon Stelling
2006-01-03 19:59 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 18:12 ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-05 4:33 ` Andrew Muraco
2006-01-05 12:56 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-05 18:42 ` Greg KH
2006-01-12 18:57 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-01-02 19:33 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 21:05 ` Chandler Carruth
2006-01-02 21:25 ` Andrew Muraco
2006-01-02 19:49 ` Grobian
2006-01-02 20:12 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-02 20:46 ` Grobian
2006-01-02 21:03 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-02 21:52 ` Patrick Lauer
2006-01-03 4:41 ` Greg KH
2006-01-03 11:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-01-03 13:34 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-03 22:04 ` Mark Loeser
2006-01-03 22:38 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-04 0:36 ` Mark Loeser
2006-01-06 17:48 ` Marius Mauch
2006-01-03 5:35 ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 8:54 ` Thierry Carrez
2006-01-03 16:35 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-03 20:09 ` Lance Albertson
2006-01-03 20:35 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-03 20:50 ` Lares Moreau
2006-01-03 22:18 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-01-03 17:21 ` Sven Vermeulen
2006-01-03 17:41 ` Sven Vermeulen
2006-01-03 23:53 ` Moderated WIki -> ( Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January ) Alec Warner
2006-01-05 17:21 ` [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Aron Griffis
2006-01-05 16:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-01-08 0:15 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 0:35 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-01-08 2:56 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-01-08 13:40 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 14:01 ` Brian Harring
2006-01-08 14:49 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 14:18 ` Paweł Madej
2006-01-08 14:25 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-01-08 0:38 ` Brian Harring
2006-01-08 13:40 ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-01-08 2:57 ` Stephen Bennett
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-01 5:31 Mike Frysinger
2008-01-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger
2008-01-02 21:49 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-01-03 13:02 ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-03 23:54 ` Luca Barbato
2008-01-04 0:01 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 12:13 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 14:25 ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-09 15:27 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 17:11 ` Richard Freeman
2008-01-09 17:18 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-01-09 17:18 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 19:54 ` Chris Gianelloni
2008-01-09 21:10 ` Caleb Tennis
2008-01-10 6:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-09 20:23 ` Peter Volkov
2009-01-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger
2010-01-01 13:31 Mike Frysinger
2010-01-01 23:05 ` Brian Harring
2010-01-02 18:21 ` Pacho Ramos
2010-01-07 22:59 ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-01-09 13:58 ` Pacho Ramos
2010-01-08 7:00 ` Mike Frysinger
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