From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EedXp-0002Oq-1n for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:11:09 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMJA3Jx009067; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:10:03 GMT Received: from smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMJ7BU4012784 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:07:12 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jAMJ7LGV020434 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:07:21 -0500 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:06:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20051122180349.GC16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> <1132672527.27288.21.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20051122180349.GC16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Z3Nh14vjm1XRBHd3zoWG" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:06:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1132686363.27288.79.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 X-Archives-Salt: 9929ed2b-1bc2-47d2-b616-50e2dae21bb9 X-Archives-Hash: f56b5495f5b81f1e9d229482769c73e6 --=-Z3Nh14vjm1XRBHd3zoWG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 12:03 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Nov 22 2005, 09:15:27AM CST] > > > Well, if we could educate the users that stage2 tarballs are totally=20 > > > pointless, and that running bootstrap.sh followed by emerge -e system= =20 > > > from a stage3 is pretty much *exactly* the same as starting a stage1=20 > > > from scratch... > >=20 > > It isn't pretty much anymore. It *is* exactly the same. >=20 > I keep hearing this, isn't there a real difference between a stage 1 and > a stage 3 install inasmuch as somebody who needs (or wants) to > dramatically tailor what's in the system profile can choose to do so > from a stage 1 or 2, but would have to remove packages after the fact if > starting from a stage 3? I wouldn't have a problem with that, as long > as we document it, but it just seems that the claim that the old and new > methods produce _exactly_ the same results seems to be stretching things > a bit. Who said that removing something isn't a part of the procedure to get an identical build? The point is that following the proper steps, one *can* get the exact same output. This would include using --newuse and cleaning out unused packages, along with any other maintenance items that would be required. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-Z3Nh14vjm1XRBHd3zoWG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDg2wbkT4lNIS36YERAm8nAJ9/OHRET+LSwyrxSZJgLfFK78MXpwCfcMB7 hku1dCW6x4C4XUfLbTplhOU= =JChy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Z3Nh14vjm1XRBHd3zoWG-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list