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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:06:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1132686363.27288.79.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051122180349.GC16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu>

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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 12:03 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Nov 22 2005, 09:15:27AM CST]
> > > Well, if we could educate the users that stage2 tarballs are totally 
> > > pointless, and that running bootstrap.sh followed by emerge -e system 
> > > from a stage3 is pretty much *exactly* the same as starting a stage1 
> > > from scratch...
> > 
> > It isn't pretty much anymore.  It *is* exactly the same.
> 
> I keep hearing this, isn't there a real difference between a stage 1 and
> a stage 3 install inasmuch as somebody who needs (or wants) to
> dramatically tailor what's in the system profile can choose to do so
> from a stage 1 or 2, but would have to remove packages after the fact if
> starting from a stage 3?  I wouldn't have a problem with that, as long
> as we document it, but it just seems that the claim that the old and new
> methods produce _exactly_ the same results seems to be stretching things
> a bit.

Who said that removing something isn't a part of the procedure to get an
identical build?

The point is that following the proper steps, one *can* get the exact
same output.  This would include using --newuse and cleaning out unused
packages, along with any other maintenance items that would be required.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-22 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-22 14:47 [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation Kurt Lieber
2005-11-22 14:37 ` Andrea Barisani
2005-11-22 15:14   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:26     ` Marc Hildebrand
2005-11-22 15:48       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:15         ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-22 16:33           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 19:13             ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-23  4:58         ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-23  5:15           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23  6:16             ` R Hill
2005-11-23 11:41               ` Duncan
2005-11-23  7:04           ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 15:29     ` [gentoo-dev] " solar
2005-11-22 15:38       ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 15:47         ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-22 15:58       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:25         ` solar
2005-11-22 16:40           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:40     ` Andrea Barisani
2005-11-23  5:19       ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-23  5:36         ` Dale
2005-11-23  6:08           ` Brian Harring
2005-11-23  5:43         ` Tuan Van
2005-11-23 20:05     ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Owen
2005-11-23 20:13       ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 21:16         ` Mike Owen
2005-11-23 21:21           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 21:31     ` Bruno
2005-11-22 14:53 ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 15:15   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:19     ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Kirchner
2005-11-22 16:39       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:12         ` Harald van Dijk
2005-11-22 17:51           ` Simon Stelling
2005-11-22 17:59             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:08               ` Joe McCann
2005-11-22 17:40         ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:02           ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 18:48             ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:59           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 19:23             ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:13       ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-22 18:20         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:47           ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-23 17:30             ` Sven Vermeulen
2005-11-22 18:03     ` [gentoo-dev] " Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 18:16       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:17       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-22 19:04         ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 19:47           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 18:29       ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-24 20:49         ` [gentoo-dev] [OT] " lnxg33k
2005-11-25 14:28           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-12-02  5:21             ` lnxg33k
2005-11-22 19:06       ` Chris Gianelloni [this message]
2005-11-22 19:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 19:57           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:16             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 20:28               ` Alexey Chumakov
2005-11-22 21:02                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:42               ` Alec Joseph Warner
2005-11-22 21:13                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:58               ` Re[2]: " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 21:36                 ` Re[4]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 23:26                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-23  0:55                     ` Re[6]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-23  1:09                       ` Donnie Berkholz
2005-11-23  1:13                       ` Mark Loeser
2005-11-23  1:30                       ` Re[6]: " George Prowse
2005-11-23 10:25                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-23 11:06                         ` Re[8]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-23 13:01                           ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-23 13:19                             ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-23 15:57                               ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-23 14:16                                 ` solar
2005-11-23 13:50                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-22 15:10 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:26   ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-22 15:49     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:54   ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 16:06     ` Andrew Gaffney
2005-11-22 16:18       ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 16:30     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:15       ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 18:37         ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:24       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 16:56 ` Benjamin Judas
2005-11-22 20:54   ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-22 18:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-23  4:01 ` Andrew Muraco
2005-11-23  9:24   ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-23 14:12     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-24  5:26     ` Sven Vermeulen

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