From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EebVW-0005ve-Gl for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:00:38 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMGxXEb019671; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:59:33 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMGuoU6021154 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:50 GMT Received: from beejaysworld.de ([193.201.52.169]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EebRq-0005Jc-60 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.115.103] (reverse-82-141-54-131.dialin.kamp-dsl.de [82.141.54.131]) by beejaysworld.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565D79323E for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation From: Benjamin Judas To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QbkgUa3mnhrZFWVzt6Gp" Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:52 +0100 Message-Id: <1132678613.14245.28.camel@antares.hausnetz> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 X-Archives-Salt: 534cddf8-1d3d-4d9c-9d0e-de700578e71a X-Archives-Hash: 6ee1df69ef9895e106092e5149a149ce --=-QbkgUa3mnhrZFWVzt6Gp Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And again, we have the same situation that lead to my resignation: People who have absolutely no clue of how releng works scream. Not about "BAD QA!!!11" this time, but about a decision that was made to make work easier. What is wrong with you, guys? You all have so good and enlightening ideas! Why does nobody want to be my successor? Come on - my footprints aren't that big! Seriously, the reaction of some developers and users smells a bit like Slashdot to me: "OMG! They are removing the 133735t part of gent00!!!". Sounds silly, right? Those people that read the install-docs *carefully* are the only ones being r e a d y to do a stage1-install. If they read carefully they will see the link "Hey, you can still do stage1 - if you want to then read-on over here". With some exceptions, most of the people replying to this thread obviously have no clue what tracking down a bug in a stage1 installation means: It's a lottery - especially if the user has nearly no knowledge of the backgrounds and can only tell you: "!!! ERROR in foo/bar-0.8.15". I'd like all of you to keep this in mind. Gentoo isn't a garage-distribution anymore and I tend to say (though I don't know the exact number of received mails) that those who complained at www@ didn't read the whole story about the "removal" and are really a minority. Also, why a GLEP for that? A GLEP for removing something from the handbook? Wow! Bureaucracy-wise Gentoo seems to get more and more european. Regards Benjamin "beejay, the former x86-monkey" Judas --=-QbkgUa3mnhrZFWVzt6Gp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDg03U4BeHt8Md7dgRAg/JAJ0Z7ZTYoT+kvTXNSFzkVYb9Qs8I+gCfab5L mya2ClJRG+GMRtVvydUitOE= =RX1b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-QbkgUa3mnhrZFWVzt6Gp-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list