From: Benjamin Judas <benni@beejaysworld.de>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1132678613.14245.28.camel@antares.hausnetz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org>
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And again, we have the same situation that lead to my resignation:
People who have absolutely no clue of how releng works scream. Not about
"BAD QA!!!11" this time, but about a decision that was made to make work
easier.
What is wrong with you, guys? You all have so good and enlightening
ideas! Why does nobody want to be my successor? Come on - my footprints
aren't that big!
Seriously, the reaction of some developers and users smells a bit like
Slashdot to me: "OMG! They are removing the 133735t part of gent00!!!".
Sounds silly, right? Those people that read the install-docs *carefully*
are the only ones being r e a d y to do a stage1-install. If they read
carefully they will see the link "Hey, you can still do stage1 - if you
want to then read-on over here".
With some exceptions, most of the people replying to this thread
obviously have no clue what tracking down a bug in a stage1 installation
means: It's a lottery - especially if the user has nearly no knowledge
of the backgrounds and can only tell you: "!!! ERROR in foo/bar-0.8.15".
I'd like all of you to keep this in mind. Gentoo isn't a
garage-distribution anymore and I tend to say (though I don't know the
exact number of received mails) that those who complained at www@ didn't
read the whole story about the "removal" and are really a minority.
Also, why a GLEP for that? A GLEP for removing something from the
handbook? Wow! Bureaucracy-wise Gentoo seems to get more and more
european.
Regards
Benjamin "beejay, the former x86-monkey" Judas
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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-22 14:47 [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation Kurt Lieber
2005-11-22 14:37 ` Andrea Barisani
2005-11-22 15:14 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:26 ` Marc Hildebrand
2005-11-22 15:48 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:15 ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-22 16:33 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 19:13 ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-23 4:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-23 5:15 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 6:16 ` R Hill
2005-11-23 11:41 ` Duncan
2005-11-23 7:04 ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 15:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " solar
2005-11-22 15:38 ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 15:47 ` Mike Frysinger
2005-11-22 15:58 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:25 ` solar
2005-11-22 16:40 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:40 ` Andrea Barisani
2005-11-23 5:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-23 5:36 ` Dale
2005-11-23 6:08 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-23 5:43 ` Tuan Van
2005-11-23 20:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Owen
2005-11-23 20:13 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 21:16 ` Mike Owen
2005-11-23 21:21 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-23 21:31 ` Bruno
2005-11-22 14:53 ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 15:15 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 16:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Kirchner
2005-11-22 16:39 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:12 ` Harald van Dijk
2005-11-22 17:51 ` Simon Stelling
2005-11-22 17:59 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:08 ` Joe McCann
2005-11-22 17:40 ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:02 ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-22 18:48 ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:59 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 19:23 ` Abhay Kedia
2005-11-22 18:13 ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-22 18:20 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:47 ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-23 17:30 ` Sven Vermeulen
2005-11-22 18:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 18:16 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 18:17 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-22 19:04 ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 19:47 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 18:29 ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-24 20:49 ` [gentoo-dev] [OT] " lnxg33k
2005-11-25 14:28 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-12-02 5:21 ` lnxg33k
2005-11-22 19:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 19:28 ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-22 19:57 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:16 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 20:28 ` Alexey Chumakov
2005-11-22 21:02 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:42 ` Alec Joseph Warner
2005-11-22 21:13 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 20:58 ` Re[2]: " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 21:36 ` Re[4]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 23:26 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-23 0:55 ` Re[6]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-23 1:09 ` Donnie Berkholz
2005-11-23 1:13 ` Mark Loeser
2005-11-23 1:30 ` Re[6]: " George Prowse
2005-11-23 10:25 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-23 11:06 ` Re[8]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-23 13:01 ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-23 13:19 ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-23 15:57 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-23 14:16 ` solar
2005-11-23 13:50 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-22 15:10 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:26 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-22 15:49 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 15:54 ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 16:06 ` Andrew Gaffney
2005-11-22 16:18 ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 16:30 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:15 ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-22 18:37 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-22 17:24 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-22 16:56 ` Benjamin Judas [this message]
2005-11-22 20:54 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-22 18:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-23 4:01 ` Andrew Muraco
2005-11-23 9:24 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-23 14:12 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-24 5:26 ` Sven Vermeulen
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