From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EebFD-0002dE-Hy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMGgWWu020526; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:42:32 GMT Received: from smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMGeaUn013215 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:40:38 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jAMGepAE013862 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:51 -0500 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:39:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20051122161955.GA15198@halffull.org> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> <1132672527.27288.21.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20051122161955.GA15198@halffull.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-BmwjQiOOxemwI5Dis2hk" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:39:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1132677570.27288.46.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 X-Archives-Salt: 5f606c68-e251-41d9-bccd-2d57ca1d2756 X-Archives-Hash: 7c7cc85c6fe6cb4e7254e7f996c200c7 --=-BmwjQiOOxemwI5Dis2hk Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:19 -0500, Thomas Kirchner wrote: > * On Nov 22 10:15, Chris Gianelloni (gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: > > It isn't pretty much anymore. It *is* exactly the same. >=20 > Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to attempt to get the same=20 > result as a stage1 with a stage3 - (which won't be exactly the same,=20 You're wrong. You can still change your virtuals, just like you can with a stage3. You can still change CFLAGS/USE flags. > given the defaults of stage3 that we don't all agree with) - don't you=20 > have to download the huge stage3 tarball *and* all of the distfiles? =20 > With a stage1, you only need the distfiles. Seems like a big change,=20 > especially for those without fast connections. Honestly, you only need download what you've changed. If you have changed quite a lot, yes, it will be more to download. > I'm against this change, personally. Stage1 has *always* been for=20 > advanced users. If someone screws up their own system (which is possible= =20 > in any number of other ways, as well) then it's their fault. Gentoo=20 > isn't about babying users. It is about choice. And if changing that is=20 > the only way to reduce your workload, well... *sigh* Another "Gentoo is about choice" argument. Can I ask you something? Where does it say that Gentoo is about choice? I see lots of places that say that Gentoo allows you to customize, but nowhere do I see anything that says that we are about choice. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-BmwjQiOOxemwI5Dis2hk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDg0nBkT4lNIS36YERAtuSAJ9jcYEc6L9AhVDDlyq2Xlr+1CilyACeLtNA nSPJ99cWtblmLZZp7i9R6h4= =W2wA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BmwjQiOOxemwI5Dis2hk-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list