On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:19 -0500, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
> * On Nov 22 10:15, Chris Gianelloni (gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
> > It isn't pretty much anymore.  It *is* exactly the same.
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to attempt to get the same 
> result as a stage1 with a stage3 - (which won't be exactly the same, 

You're wrong.  You can still change your virtuals, just like you can
with a stage3.  You can still change CFLAGS/USE flags.

> given the defaults of stage3 that we don't all agree with) - don't you 
> have to download the huge stage3 tarball *and* all of the distfiles?  
> With a stage1, you only need the distfiles.  Seems like a big change, 
> especially for those without fast connections.

Honestly, you only need download what you've changed.  If you have
changed quite a lot, yes, it will be more to download.

> I'm against this change, personally.  Stage1 has *always* been for 
> advanced users.  If someone screws up their own system (which is possible 
> in any number of other ways, as well) then it's their fault.  Gentoo 
> isn't about babying users.  It is about choice.  And if changing that is 
> the only way to reduce your workload, well...

*sigh*

Another "Gentoo is about choice" argument.  Can I ask you something?
Where does it say that Gentoo is about choice?  I see lots of places
that say that Gentoo allows you to customize, but nowhere do I see
anything that says that we are about choice.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux