From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Eeb6F-00040u-Es for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:34:31 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMGXjft022621; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:33:45 GMT Received: from smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMGVwA6026177 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:31:59 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jAMGW8Ma027772 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:32:09 -0500 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:30:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <43833F38.50609@gentoo.org> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <1132672214.27288.14.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <43833F38.50609@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Dy49CKj3B8o7TvQGnb2t" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:30:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1132677051.27288.37.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 X-Archives-Salt: af11acee-4dc0-4887-b888-aeefdd79dc6c X-Archives-Hash: eef692c388dddb691338829aa00bc4fa --=-Dy49CKj3B8o7TvQGnb2t Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 09:54 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > > As I am now not only the Release Engineering lead, but also the x86 > > Release Coordinator, I am fielding nearly 100% of these issues. > >=20 > > I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO OTHER PEOPLE'S QA FOR THEM. >=20 > If you are that overworked, perhaps you should find more people to help > with releng and the duties you have? I've been in a similar position as > yourself where its hard to find good quality folks that stick around, > and then you get used to doing everything yourself. I haven't seen any > emails asking for help or people for releng. This is the first I've > heard of your troubles with not having adequate time for all the duties > you do yourself. Really? Did you read -core on October 27th? Also, the problem is not so much needing manpower for testing as far as Release Engineering is concerned. It is instead having some method in place where devs actually perform QA on their own packages. A prime example of this is bug #110383. I was always under the impression that if you were adding a flag to a package that affected "system" that it was your responsibility to ensure that "system" still works, rather than passing it off onto the Release Engineering team. Now, I don't know what package it is that is pulling in hal for this user, so it most likely is not hal's fault, but it illustrates the point perfectly. > If you need help, please ask for it and at least try and get some of > that load off of you so that we don't take things out of gentoo simply > because of the lack of time. I did. I got exactly *0* responses. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-Dy49CKj3B8o7TvQGnb2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDg0e6kT4lNIS36YERAiMIAJ40EaGKIr4Nlky2LfCWX6YaVLxF5QCeIc0S pT6/hof+u8b5EzCrUJE+rOg= =pU3j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Dy49CKj3B8o7TvQGnb2t-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list