From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EeZx0-0000aP-5f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:20:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMFJcY2021546; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:19:38 GMT Received: from smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMFGYlI010003 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:16:35 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jAMFGi8b030789 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:16:44 -0500 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:15:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-fYcMON9gn0WQZIHRMmy3" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:15:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1132672527.27288.21.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 X-Archives-Salt: a1e8b0ef-0e22-49ae-a358-99d4b51e7b7e X-Archives-Hash: 7bb53db710b7d2929ae499c1316307dd --=-fYcMON9gn0WQZIHRMmy3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 09:53 -0500, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Kurt Lieber wrote: > > We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to > > remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it= 's > > still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users d= o. > >=20 > > In my years of monitoring www@gentoo.org, we've received the most > > complaints about this decision than any other single decision. Is ther= e a > > way we can re-introduce the stages into the installation documentation, > > perhaps with gigantic warnings saying, "for advanced users only" or "us= e at > > your own risk"? >=20 > Well, if we could educate the users that stage2 tarballs are totally=20 > pointless, and that running bootstrap.sh followed by emerge -e system=20 > from a stage3 is pretty much *exactly* the same as starting a stage1=20 > from scratch... It isn't pretty much anymore. It *is* exactly the same. > To me, the email from that user sounds like the typical vocal minority=20 > of users who make "screw common sense in favor of choice" complaints=20 > whenever we change something for the better. Exactly. It sounds like we are letting ourselves be swayed by a few heated words from someone who is obviously shooting for a reaction. If we give in, the terrorists have won. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-fYcMON9gn0WQZIHRMmy3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDgzYPkT4lNIS36YERAir0AJ41n+OE5zupgxppbXQlg5/EsLlBfACfQquO CjpqLx04akHIDVCYDfIiK9Y= =F+zr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-fYcMON9gn0WQZIHRMmy3-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list